a question for ITK's

[KenTheLandlord]

Not a single one of your replies answered any of his points satisfactorily.

They wont for you, because i don't agree with him or you. What was it? Monkey see, monkey do?

 

[AlexC83]

That is incorrect. If Ancelotti had our points total and identical record he would be under pressure. If you manage the top teams in say Spain or Italy and you win the league you can still be sacked and no one raises an eyebrow in surprise.

If like City you spend a lot of money in a short space of time with the objective of breaking into the top tier of domestic and European football then we will, inevitably, be judged by top tier standards. So no its 'not only at Manchester City' it is in fact at a handful of elite clubs where you are only as good as your last game and if you don't win consistently (not draw but win) then you are in crisis and the manager is under pressure.

This mindset is the only way you can get into and maintain your position in the top tier. If the club and its management truly believe that 6th is good enough this season then 6th is what we are likely to achieve. Rafa has stated in the media that Liverpool will get 4th spot. He has no choice and he has no option other than to deliver this target. If we have a choice or have options other than 4th - a comfort zone if you like - then we are less likely to get 4th because each game is not quite so intense, so vital for the cause.

The fans will adopt this 'winning is everything' mindset as well and in a way its important that they do. If no one at the club, including the fans, tolerates failure or accepts less than winning every game then we will achieve success. The downside is that we become everything we detest in the fans of top 4 clubs.

Oh and this mindset or 'winning mentality' is precisely the sort of thing Hughes was meant to be instilling in the club. The Chelsea chairman said that the best thing Mourinho ever did for Chelsea was instill a winning mentality throughout the club and not just in the players either.

Mourinho made everyone a believer. Hughes just makes us into monkees.

That was precisely what Robbie said we needed in the club when he joined as he believed we lacked that 'winning mentality'.
Wonder why he wants out?..........hmmmmm..........think about it!!

Because the best club side in the world* want him?

* Other than City of course...

 

[Mike D]

You seem to me you know more than most De Niro so is MH gonna be stuffed by christmas?

dont know mike, i think he has his feet firmly under the table,for now, i also think though that the owners will monitor everything about the club, including our the fans feel, like it or not hughes AND the players had better buck up and fast.which is why i asked what part marwood if playing in all this, i heard it was he who moved JC out, is he "over" hughes?if so will hughes put up with it, does he meddle in the first team affairs? i was hoping someone could confirm this. i admit i want it proved that hughes is not behind it all, as you know its the only thing you and i agree on, the treatment of jim and its affect on our future.

maybe i am clutching at straws, i dunno.

Nice to see that we agree on something, but I can catagorically see that it was Hughes behind JC's departure from my source. What you will find with Marwood in this case is he's just foot soldier carrying out MH's dirty work.

 

[Danamy]

That was precisely what Robbie said we needed in the club when he joined as he believed we lacked that 'winning mentality'.
Wonder why he wants out?..........hmmmmm..........think about it!!

Because the best club side in the world* want him?

* Other than City of course...

I agree it would turn any players head but.............
What is making him want to leave this early into our project of becoming one of the best teams in Europe?
Surely if he could see that there's good times on the horizon he would want to be part of that?..yes?....no?

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Because the best club side in the world* want him?

* Other than City of course...

I agree it would turn any players head but.............
What is making him want to leave this early into our project of becoming one of the best teams in Europe?
Surely if he could see that there's good times on the horizon he would want to be part of that?..yes?....no?

Depends, with football being a notoriously precarious job, the chance of a very good stab at the CL doesn't come round often.

 

[BobKowalski]

That is incorrect. If Ancelotti had our points total and identical record he would be under pressure. If you manage the top teams in say Spain or Italy and you win the league you can still be sacked and no one raises an eyebrow in surprise. Incorrect, one team. Real Madrid. And as far as i remember City play in England. We do things a bit different here.

Incorrect. Inter Milan sacked Mancini after winning Serie A. Which is why I mentioned Spain and Italy. Yes City play in England. Well done.

If like City you spend a lot of money in a short space of time with the objective of breaking into the top tier of domestic and European football then we will, inevitably, be judged by top tier standards. So no its 'not only at Manchester City' it is in fact at a handful of elite clubs where you are only as good as your last game and if you don't win consistently (not draw but win) then you are in crisis and the manager is under pressure. Unlike Manchester United who haven't sacked a manager for 22 years, Arsenal for 13 years and Liverpool 5 years. You used Chelsea, as they are the only example. Don't bother with Spuds, Aston Villa, they are not top European teams.

I repeat if you don't win consistently then you are under pressure. Taggert has won consistently - in fact the teams you mention are the 'Top 4' and this maintains their position as managers. Benitez knows he needs top 4 hence his statement. Benitez is not saying he would like top 4 and that is what they are aiming at but that they will get top 4. Wenger needs top 4 but even with that everyone is saying he actually needs to win something as well. Managers at these clubs stay in their job because they win consistently and top 4 is the minimum they have to achieve.

This mindset is the only way you can get into and maintain your position in the top tier. If the club and its management truly believe that 6th is good enough this season then 6th is what we are likely to achieve. Rafa has stated in the media that Liverpool will get 4th spot. He has no choice and he has no option other than to deliver this target. If we have a choice or have options other than 4th - a comfort zone if you like - then we are less likely to get 4th because each game is not quite so intense, so vital for the cause. Meaningless psycho-babble.

Yes. Like sports psycologists are a waste of time. Tell that to Team GB cycling squad and ask how they did at the last Olympics

The fans will adopt this 'winning is everything' mindset as well and in a way its important that they do. If no one at the club, including the fans, tolerates failure or accepts less than winning every game then we will achieve success. The downside is that we become everything we detest in the fans of top 4 clubs. Too late, many have adopted this attitude without having won anything for 30 years.

Yes they have and it will continue to grow. Expectation is a powerful force

Oh and this mindset or 'winning mentality' is precisely the sort of thing Hughes was meant to be instilling in the club. The Chelsea chairman said that the best thing Mourinho ever did for Chelsea was instill a winning mentality throughout the club and not just in the players either.
He was so good at it, the chairman sacked him. And they haven't won the league since.

Incorrect. Abramovich sacked Mourinho. Abramovich is not the Chelsea Chairman. Bruce Buck is the man I was referring too.

Mourinho made everyone a believer. Hughes just makes us into monkees. Monkees? What zoo are you living at? Name me one club in the last 20 years that went from 10th to first in one season. I'm not sure if there are papers in your zoo, but you may have noticed a certain number of players NOT coming to the club. That is because we are NOT as big you feel we are. We need to apply pressure onto the top4 and then break it. That is what we are doing and when we do it, top players will come. Its posts like this that make us look like Monkeys expecting us to win every match. IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. There will be defeats and there will be disappointments, but its what you learn and how you develop from those set backs that make you winners.

Oh bad luck. The clue was in the spelling. Rammy will put your straight

Now name one club that went from 10th to first in one season. Hmm. No idea. I'll tell you what. Lets be the first. Now wouldn't that be something? How about doing it in two seasons? After all why not? 10th to PL Champions in 2 seasons. Whats to stop us?

To quote the first black man to become US President...

...Yes we can!

You see there always has to be a first for everything. It just takes a 'special' kind of person to achieve it.

 

[Danamy]

I agree it would turn any players head but.............
What is making him want to leave this early into our project of becoming one of the best teams in Europe?
Surely if he could see that there's good times on the horizon he would want to be part of that?..yes?....no?

Depends, with football being a notoriously precarious job, the chance of a very good stab at the CL doesn't come round often.

So your saying we're not getting into the top 4 this season?

 

[Bill]

Frosty ? He's a No Man.

Well I got it, HP, even if no-one else did ;)

i did , pmsl.

 

[Bill]

dont know mike, i think he has his feet firmly under the table,for now, i also think though that the owners will monitor everything about the club, including our the fans feel, like it or not hughes AND the players had better buck up and fast.which is why i asked what part marwood if playing in all this, i heard it was he who moved JC out, is he "over" hughes?if so will hughes put up with it, does he meddle in the first team affairs? i was hoping someone could confirm this. i admit i want it proved that hughes is not behind it all, as you know its the only thing you and i agree on, the treatment of jim and its affect on our future.

maybe i am clutching at straws, i dunno.

Nice to see that we agree on something, but I can catagorically see that it was Hughes behind JC's departure from my source. What you will find with Marwood in this case is he's just foot soldier carrying out MH's dirty work.

also told marwood was behind dunnie going, funny how different things come out, truth beknown we'll never get to know wtf is going at city anymore, someone in their post said hughes is safer than we think, i am of course going to applaud that but most of all i want results and if he is'nt being monitored closly he should be, its the same with the players, we've only ever had players in the comfort zone, that can't continue.
city no longer do comfort.give them time to build the project, time to enjoy the rewards, only though if everyone sings from the same songsheet.otherwise they can do one, players, manager, anyone.

 

[AlexC83]

Because the best club side in the world* want him?

* Other than City of course...

I agree it would turn any players head but.............
What is making him want to leave this early into our project of becoming one of the best teams in Europe?
Surely if he could see that there's good times on the horizon he would want to be part of that?..yes?....no?

I think it's just literally a straight forward case of you can't get better than Barcelona so any player who's not there would have their head turned if they declared an interest so publicly as they have with Robbie.

I'd take it as a massive compliment and hopefully he's gonna take it as that too. But he must know that if we don't want to sell he can't kick up a stink in a World Cup year...