a secular society by 2030

[tonea2003]

A significant number of people do not become members. They are indoctrinated from birth. At birth I was baptized a Catholic. At 7 years of age I took part in the ritual of Holy Communion after having given my first confession. At 11 years of age I confirmed my Faith in a deeply indoctrinating ritual. At the time I was unaware of the implications or of the power these rituals would have over me. I honestly don't think I had any choice. At 18 I walked away from the church but by fuck had they exacted a cost on me. Not my choice to become a cult member but I have had to deal with it all of my life since.

very similar to me mate, but i wouldn't say i walked away from it rather than a realisation through intelligence(thats no slight on you by the way far from it, it just the way i feel about it)

No slight taken. I definitely made a choice and it came about after a discussion with a priest. I just could not square up his answers to my questions and so decided it was a crock of shit. I do think it leaves an imprint on your psyche though. Like a distant echo.

agreed , the whole religious set up made me feel uncomfortable, i had no specific conversations but we had nuns at my school who tried to push/coerce you in a certain direction, thankfully i resisted any indoctrination

 

[johnny crossan]

What is interesting is that crime figures have apparently been falling despite economic recession and increasing secularism. That's a welcome surprise to me.

 

[tonea2003]

What is interesting is that crime figures have apparently been falling despite economic recession and increasing secularism. That's a welcome surprise to me.

all the more reason for you to become secular johnny!!

 

[tonea2003]

NSS to challenge Catholic Church's new restrictions on teachers
Posted: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:36

The Catholic Church in England and Wales has issued a new booklet warning teachers and governors at Catholic schools that they risk dismissal if they enter a relationship that is not approved by the Church.
The warning comes in a booklet by written by Monsignor Marcus Stock, general secretary of the Catholic Bishops' conference of England and Wales and co-published by the Catholic Education Service.
British Catholic weekly newspaper, The Tablet, reports:
"Under the heading of "substantive life choices", Mgr Stock includes marriage in a non-Catholic church or register office without canonical dispensation, remarriage after divorce and "maintaining a partnership of intimacy with another person, outside a form of marriage approved by the Church and which would, at least in the public forum, carry the presumption from their public behaviour of this being a non-chaste relationship". This also applies to all staff in a Catholic school."
Other "substantive life choices" he rules unacceptable include "maintaining the publication or distribution of, or by any other means of social communication or technology, material content which is contrary to gospel values".
Many 'faith' schools are granted special legal privileges enabling them to discriminate in employment on religious grounds. Many teachers can find themselves blocked from certain positions because they are non-believers or of the 'wrong' faith. In addition, teachers can be disciplined or dismissed for conduct which is 'incompatible with the precepts of the school's religion.
The National Secular Society has described the Catholic Church's restrictions on its employees personal relationships as "prurient and tyrannical."
Stephen Evans, campaigns manager at the National Secular Society, said:
"It is scandalous that the Catholic Church is able to use taxpayers' money to practise this sort of crude discrimination. The document is completely unacceptable. The way a person arranges their private life, so long as it is within the law, should be of no concern to an employer.
"We will be writing to the Secretary of State for Education, Michael Gove, asking how he can justify a law that permits teachers in faith schools to be disciplined or dismissed for conduct which is 'incompatible with the precepts of the school's religion. Such a harsh and unfair law drives a coach and horses through equality legislation and leaves teachers, paid using public money, uniquely vulnerable to religious discrimination."
The level of discrimination permitted in 'faith' schools is currently the subject of an investigation at the European Commission following a complaint by the National Secular Society concerning whether UK legislation relating to state funded 'faith' schools breaches European employment laws.
The NSS has made clear that if it comes across anyone who has been fired from a Catholic school simply because they are living in a relationship that the Church does not approve of, it would be happy to assist them in a legal challenge.

 

[Weloveyoucitywedo]

Only just caught this thread but i'd like to recommened a book called the science delusion by dr rupert sheldake.

It might be a bit heavy for some but science itself is an act of faith, its every bit as dogmatic as religion and is a rigid 19th century belief.

It saddens me that so many people on here see logic as the only form of intelligence, that shows to me how much brainwashing has been done by the modern media.

Here's the link to the book buy the way

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Delusion-Rupert-Sheldrake/dp/144472794X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359721307&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Del ... 307&sr=8-1</a>

 

[SWP's back]

Only just caught this thread but i'd like to recommened a book called the science delusion by dr rupert sheldake.

It might be a bit heavy for some but science itself is an act of faith, its every bit as dogmatic as religion and is a rigid 19th century belief.

It saddens me that so many people on here see logic as the only form of intelligence, that shows to me how much brainwashing has been done by the modern media.

Here's the link to the book buy the way

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Delusion-Rupert-Sheldrake/dp/144472794X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359721307&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Del ... 307&sr=8-1</a>

Pmsl, someone get damocles to destroy this mentalist.

Science is not dogmatic you fruit. And for a god botherer to talk about brainwashing. Grrrrrrr, you wouldn't know irony if it bit you on the arse.

 

[The Flash]

Only just caught this thread but i'd like to recommened a book called the science delusion by dr rupert sheldake.

It might be a bit heavy for some but science itself is an act of faith, its every bit as dogmatic as religion and is a rigid 19th century belief.

It saddens me that so many people on here see logic as the only form of intelligence, that shows to me how much brainwashing has been done by the modern media.

Here's the link to the book buy the way

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Delusion-Rupert-Sheldrake/dp/144472794X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359721307&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Science-Del ... 307&sr=8-1</a>

Yeah because faith shows intelligence and freedom of thought doesn't it?

Oh no, hang on, it shows that you follow the words of some dusty old book that bears no relevence on today's society. Don't think for yourself, accept our God or you will forever live in eternal damnation. You were born full of sin and you must spend your life repenting and worshipping something intangible so we can have these big buildings and all this gold, you see, and we'll preach against poverty but do fuck all about it whilst we count our money.....

Religion is for idiots.

 

[Weloveyoucitywedo]

The 2 replies just go to show how socially unacceptable it is to speak up against science but it shouldn't be and how intolerant a lot of atheists actually are.

It doesn't surprise me as we are only taught from a left brain perspective in the western world sadly.

Science needs to be liberated from the dogmas that restrict it.

 

[SWP's back]

The 2 replies just go to show how socially unacceptable it is to speak up against science but it shouldn't be and how intolerant a lot of atheists actually are.

It doesn't surprise me as we are only taught from a left brain perspective in the western world sadly.

Science needs to be liberated from the dogmas that restrict it.

What the fuck are you actually on about?

I see you have written words but they do not make any sense. Show me the narrow minded and intolerant atheists killing in the name of atheism and I will accept your argument you fucking hypocrite.

Speak up against Science? Do you have any idea what "science" actually is?

And a once again, a religious zealot talking about "dogma", how can you even write that with a straight face?

The only thing I can think is that you are on the wum and doing a very good job.

 

[Weloveyoucitywedo]

The 2 replies just go to show how socially unacceptable it is to speak up against science but it shouldn't be and how intolerant a lot of atheists actually are.

It doesn't surprise me as we are only taught from a left brain perspective in the western world sadly.

Science needs to be liberated from the dogmas that restrict it.

What the fuck are you actually on about?

I see you have written words but they do not make any sense. Show me the narrow minded and intolerant atheists killing in the name of atheism and I will accept your argument you fucking hypocrite.

Speak up against Science? Do you have any idea what "science" actually is?

And a once again, a religious zealot talking about "dogma", how can you even write that with a straight face?

The only thing I can think is that you are on the wum and doing a very good job.

The only narrow minded and abusive one here is yourself, if you want a reply, please use a bit of politeness and manners.

 

[SWP's back]

The 2 replies just go to show how socially unacceptable it is to speak up against science but it shouldn't be and how intolerant a lot of atheists actually are.

It doesn't surprise me as we are only taught from a left brain perspective in the western world sadly.

Science needs to be liberated from the dogmas that restrict it.

What the fuck are you actually on about?

I see you have written words but they do not make any sense. Show me the narrow minded and intolerant atheists killing in the name of atheism and I will accept your argument you fucking hypocrite.

Speak up against Science? Do you have any idea what "science" actually is?

And a once again, a religious zealot talking about "dogma", how can you even write that with a straight face?

The only thing I can think is that you are on the wum and doing a very good job.

The only narrow minded and abusive one here is yourself, if you want a reply, please use a bit of politeness and manners.

To be honest, I would be more interested in a conversation with a toaster than someone that thinks of science is dogmatic, intolerant and narrow minded.

So no, fuck it, you don't deserve manners or politeness. You are clearly mental.

 

[Skashion]

To be honest, I would be more interested in a conversation with a toaster than someone that thinks of science is dogmatic, intolerant and narrow minded.

So no, fuck it, you don't deserve manners or politeness. You are clearly mental.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec[/youtube]

 

[Weloveyoucitywedo]

You seem a very closed minded person swp, but that's cool, you can be how you want to be.

As for these religous wars, killing people, many wars today are perceived to be religous wars but in reality they are due to land.

Take northern ireland for example, catholics and protestants can live together peacefully in england and the republic of ireland, the issue is to do with land it has very little if any to do with religion.

For anyone interested in the work of sheldrake, check out a talk i went to in Wilmslow last year.

thanks

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2PX7KKSG4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2PX7KKSG4</a>

 

[SWP's back]

Yes I am closed minded, now go back to thinking the answer to all of your life's question can be found in a 1,800 year old book with no room for changes.

As for your talks from confidence tricksters, enjoy, hope you get fleeced.

 

[Skashion]

SWPB, bit of advice:

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I very rarely poke my head in here, this thread just caught my attention.

I've been reading about Thomas Jefferson recently and I think he got it about right.

Here's a guy, one of the Founding Fathers of America, who helped draft the constitution that people were free to believe in God.

He thought the Bible made a lot of decent points but at no stage did he believe Jesus was who he said he was, and was just an 'enlightened' figure of his time.

I have two very young children and couldn't believe the reactions and pressure to have them both Christened.

I was never Christened, never been inside a church outside other peoples' weddings or a funeral, and was allowed to reach my own take on life.

All people said was, 'oh, but it's only right, can have a nice party afterwards etc'

I'll let them find their own way.

 

[SWP's back]

True Skashion, I shall chill.

 

[Weloveyoucitywedo]

Yes I am closed minded, now go back to thinking the answer to all of your life's question can be found in a 1,800 year old book with no room for changes.

As for your talks from confidence tricksters, enjoy, hope you get fleeced.

I'm actually not a religious person, i go the church rarely, usually just for weddings, funerals etc, probably the same as most on here, i would hardly call the man a trickstet, hes cambridge educated and well respected by many.

 

[BWTAC]

Fucking hell, the mentalists are replicating.

 

[SWP's back]

Yes I am closed minded, now go back to thinking the answer to all of your life's question can be found in a 1,800 year old book with no room for changes.

As for your talks from confidence tricksters, enjoy, hope you get fleeced.

I'm actually not a religious person, i go the church rarely, usually just for weddings, funerals etc, probably the same as most on here, i would hardly call the man a trickstet, hes cambridge educated and well respected by many.

Oh well in that case.....