A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps.

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Gray said:
Urgently needed:-

1. Three people in cockpit, only one allowed out at any time.
2. Live video feed of cockpit to ground controllers.
3. Ability to override locked cockpit door by the cabin crew.
4. Facility to take over control of the aircraft by experts on the ground, should be possible in this electronic age.
5. Better vetting of all pilots.
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1. Economically unrealistic to have a third person in the jump seat all the time. What if they were all in on it?
2. Insufficient satellite bandwidth to provide live video feeds from 20,000 aircraft simultaneously. Who's going to watch all these videos? Dozens more satellites would be needed and hundreds of TV watchers required.
3. If cabin crew could do it, so could terrorists and deranged passengers.
4. This would have to be 100% secure to prevent unauthorised access or jamming and the "expert" on the ground would need to be completely trusted.
5. Possibly.

1 out of 5. Must try harder.
 
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paul-dkn said:
TCIB said:
I have a kinda solution...

Ok, so yeah any signal transmitted can be snooped on and possibly manipulated. So how do we circumvent that?
My idea is a closed system (standalone) for this situation. The alarm is raised and jets scrambled. These jets should have a commercial pilot in the back with a panel that can connect with this on board system.
When it connects the remote pilot has control, the cockpit is shut down and unusable. Not ideal but it is not a terrible idea.
If the pilot/person causing hell in the cockpit is smashing shit up their should be a system to incapacitate. I dunno a bit of gas released or something that is then vented out when the fucker is down.
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Remote flying airliners.....gassing the pilot.....at which point does chuck norris appear??
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It does sound a bit nuts but we already have drone pilots who can fly these things like they are sat on it.
I know there is a huge difference but as a proof of concept it does the trick.

Beyond such a system i don't think you can do very much to mitigate such scenario's.
 
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There is a transcript of the last 30 minutes of conversation between the two pilots, he says. The first 20 are amicable. Then it gets laconical. The pilot asks the co-pilot to take over. The pilot leaves for a “natural call”.

While alone the co-pilot accelerates descent. He used keys of monitoring system to speed up descent, it was voluntary. We hear a number of appeals by the pilot to get access to the cockpit but there was no access. He knocks on the door but there is not response. There is the sound of breathing from co-pilot until impact.
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The torture that these passengers endured for the last few minutes of their lives just beggars belief. Those poor people.
 
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west didsblue said:
There is a transcript of the last 30 minutes of conversation between the two pilots, he says. The first 20 are amicable. Then it gets laconical. The pilot asks the co-pilot to take over. The pilot leaves for a “natural call”.

While alone the co-pilot accelerates descent. He used keys of monitoring system to speed up descent, it was voluntary. We hear a number of appeals by the pilot to get access to the cockpit but there was no access. He knocks on the door but there is not response. There is the sound of breathing from co-pilot until impact.
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That is so fucked up. Utterly incomprehensible.
 
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west didsblue said:
There is a transcript of the last 30 minutes of conversation between the two pilots, he says. The first 20 are amicable. Then it gets laconical. The pilot asks the co-pilot to take over. The pilot leaves for a “natural call”.

While alone the co-pilot accelerates descent. He used keys of monitoring system to speed up descent, it was voluntary. We hear a number of appeals by the pilot to get access to the cockpit but there was no access. He knocks on the door but there is not response. There is the sound of breathing from co-pilot until impact.
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The fucking shithouse bastard, dear fucking god, all those people died at the whim of a man who lost the plot.
I assume the laconic talk was more bitey than simply concise use of language.

You may say then "why did the pilot leave him". Well i certainly would not expect that reaction even from a man crying after finding his missus with another bloke or some other head fuck.
 
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I don't see how control from the ground would be possible or preferable would allow rogue hackers, mentally unstable ground staff or rogue governments to bring down multiple jets at one time with no danger to themselves.
 
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EalingBlue2 said:
I don't see how control from the ground would be possible or preferable would allow rogue hackers, mentally unstable ground staff or rogue governments to bring down multiple jets at one time with no danger to themselves.
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System would be standalone and activated only when it receives orders from the remote system. You could have this mechanically locked out until the plane is airborne so only a jet escorting it could possibly connect. Signal spread of 1000m or summat should be enough.

Main issue would be having trained commercial pilots dotted around just sat on their arse waiting for an emergency.
 
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mindmyp's_n_q's said:
MCFCTrick said:
Has this 'suicidal' pilot been named yet?
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Don't think so. You will have to keep praying that his surname is Ameen or Hashem (or some other similar name) for a bit longer.
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As an atheist, I don't pray ... but I am sure if what you say turns out to be the case, you will excuse his actions ...
 
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