A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps.

[Captain Underpants]

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Having been involved in MRO environments as an inspector for many years I can honestly say that European aviation maintenance is unrivalled. I have worked with Lufthansa Technik and Airbus Engineers who's attention to detail goes without question... These tragic events do happen rarely and usually as a result of a chain of catastrophic events, not because of ageing airframes or terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't down to pitot static issues.. Icing or blockage of the pitot static ports/vanes which give the fwd airspeed, attitude information to the aircraft systems and crew, more importantly the autopilot which would have been in control during this phase of flight...

My thoughts and condolences go out to all affected by this tragic event....

 

[stony]

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VC10's were so over engineered they are like flying tanks they are arguable one of the greatest aircraft ever built.

Queen of the Skies.

Always makes me wonder why our aircraft industry went down the pan and bits of airplane's are built all over the planet and bunged together by the French.

The Comet/Nimrod had a part to play. Despite being years ahead of its time, early design flaws saw a few crashes. No one trusted it anymore and the American aircraft manufacturers rubbed their hands together. Although the Comet failed, the military variant(the nimrod) proved itself to be a good reliable aircraft and a huge success.

 

[BlueHammer85]

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Should be a aviation policy. No passenger planes over 20 years old to fly.

Really?

No. Just an idea. Back to the drawing board.

 

[i kne albert davy]

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Queen of the Skies.

Always makes me wonder why our aircraft industry went down the pan and bits of airplane's are built all over the planet and bunged together by the French.

The Comet/Nimrod had a part to play. Despite being years ahead of its time, early design flaws saw a few crashes. No one trusted it anymore and the American aircraft manufacturers rubbed their hands together. Although the Comet failed, the military variant(the nimrod) proved itself to be a good reliable aircraft and a huge success.

The Comet was cutting edge technology when it entered service when metal fatigue was only just being understood, we did solve the problems (mainly) and our research helped other aircraft manufacturers no end. We've manufactured some great aircraft during the last 80 or so years yet ended up bit part makers. like to think Airbus make a good aircraft but with so many countries making bits who governs the final product.

 

[TCIB]

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Having been involved in MRO environments as an inspector for many years I can honestly say that European aviation maintenance is unrivalled. I have worked with Lufthansa Technik and Airbus Engineers who's attention to detail goes without question... These tragic events do happen rarely and usually as a result of a chain of catastrophic events, not because of ageing airframes or terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't down to pitot static issues.. Icing or blockage of the pitot static ports/vanes which give the fwd airspeed, attitude information to the aircraft systems and crew, more importantly the autopilot which would have been in control during this phase of flight...

My thoughts and condolences go out to all affected by this tragic event....

I remember one plane went down because someone had left the cover of one of these little nozzles and a bug crawled in.
They kept putting more power down and going higher thinking they were going down, it stalled and down it went.

Such a tiny mistake, that day it was not checked either if it was on or off or something, i forget exactly.

 

[west didsblue]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

Having been involved in MRO environments as an inspector for many years I can honestly say that European aviation maintenance is unrivalled. I have worked with Lufthansa Technik and Airbus Engineers who's attention to detail goes without question... These tragic events do happen rarely and usually as a result of a chain of catastrophic events, not because of ageing airframes or terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't down to pitot static issues.. Icing or blockage of the pitot static ports/vanes which give the fwd airspeed, attitude information to the aircraft systems and crew, more importantly the autopilot which would have been in control during this phase of flight...

My thoughts and condolences go out to all affected by this tragic event....

I would be. After AF447 flight crews are much better trained in dealing with that type of problem. There was also no reports of icing conditions in that area.

The total lack of communications suggests pilot incapacitation either by hypoxia or some other reason.

 

[TCIB]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

Having been involved in MRO environments as an inspector for many years I can honestly say that European aviation maintenance is unrivalled. I have worked with Lufthansa Technik and Airbus Engineers who's attention to detail goes without question... These tragic events do happen rarely and usually as a result of a chain of catastrophic events, not because of ageing airframes or terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't down to pitot static issues.. Icing or blockage of the pitot static ports/vanes which give the fwd airspeed, attitude information to the aircraft systems and crew, more importantly the autopilot which would have been in control during this phase of flight...

My thoughts and condolences go out to all affected by this tragic event....

I would be. After AF447 flight crews are much better trained in dealing with that type of problem. There was also no reports of icing conditions in that area.

The total lack of communications suggests pilot incapacitation either by hypoxia or some other reason.

When you gotta wank you gotta wank.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Re: A320 Airbus Crashes In The Alps. BBC

Having been involved in MRO environments as an inspector for many years I can honestly say that European aviation maintenance is unrivalled. I have worked with Lufthansa Technik and Airbus Engineers who's attention to detail goes without question... These tragic events do happen rarely and usually as a result of a chain of catastrophic events, not because of ageing airframes or terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't down to pitot static issues.. Icing or blockage of the pitot static ports/vanes which give the fwd airspeed, attitude information to the aircraft systems and crew, more importantly the autopilot which would have been in control during this phase of flight...

My thoughts and condolences go out to all affected by this tragic event....

I would be. After AF447 flight crews are much better trained in dealing with that type of problem. There was also no reports of icing conditions in that area.

The total lack of communications suggests pilot incapacitation either by hypoxia or some other reason.

No doubt the cause of this accident will come out in due course and will make flying just a little bit safer, all of which is scant conciliation to the poor souls who lost their lives or their friends and relatives, such a sad event.

 

[blumoonrisen]

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Reports suggest it was under military escort, although it is the Daily Mail..

 

[cleavers]

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Reports suggest it was under military escort, although it is the Daily Mail..

If it had been in UK airspace, and descending for 10 minutes without communication, then we would most likely have scrambled an escort to go look what the problem was, we have planes on 24/7 standby for just this scenario. The thing is, if the french did this, why have they not said anything ?

I still think everything points to the pilots being out of action for some reason, they'll know that fairly quickly now they have the data recorder, although nothing yet said about voice recorders as far as I have seen.

 

[blumoonrisen]

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Reports suggest it was under military escort, although it is the Daily Mail..

If it had been in UK airspace, and descending for 10 minutes without communication, then we would most likely have scrambled an escort to go look what the problem was, we have planes on 24/7 standby for just this scenario. The thing is, if the french did this, why have they not said anything ?

I still think everything points to the pilots being out of action for some reason, they'll know that fairly quickly now they have the data recorder, although nothing yet said about voice recorders as far as I have seen.

If they scrambled 3 jets to fly alongside them within 10 mins of communication being lost that's one hell of a response time. Fair play to em..

 

[cleavers]

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If they scrambled 3 jets to fly alongside them within 10 mins of communication being lost that's one hell of a response time. Fair play to em..

That's why they're called "quick reaction", ours can pretty well launch within a minute of being scrambled, and will go supersonic if they think there is a significant threat, and any other traffic would be cleared out of their way.

I've no idea if the french have the same system we do, but I would imagine they do, and it would obviously depend where they are based, if they could get there in time.

As its the daily mail I'm not inclined to believe the report anyway, and even if there were jets in the vicinity they may have just been on an unconnected training flight.

 

[basokla]

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Should be a aviation policy. No passenger planes over 20 years old to fly.

Really?

No. Just an idea. Back to the drawing board.

Good response. I'd say let's let the facts come out.

As for older aircraft, give me a properly maintained 20-yr old Boeing 737 any day of the week.

 

[scotty123]

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Reports suggest it was under military escort, although it is the Daily Mail..

If it had been in UK airspace, and descending for 10 minutes without communication, then we would most likely have scrambled an escort to go look what the problem was, we have planes on 24/7 standby for just this scenario. The thing is, if the french did this, why have they not said anything ?

I still think everything points to the pilots being out of action for some reason, they'll know that fairly quickly now they have the data recorder, although nothing yet said about voice recorders as far as I have seen.

Apparently the black box is damaged but they are confident they can still glean enough information from it to aid the investigation

Eamonn Holmes on Sky is chuddering on that he thinks the aircraft ran out of fuel as there was hardly any smoke from the crash site!

 

[cleavers]

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Eamonn Holmes on Sky is chuddering on that he thinks the aircraft ran out of fuel as there was hardly any smoke from the crash site!

Hahaha, does he think they forgot to refuel it in Barcelona ?

 

[tonea2003]

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Eamonn Holmes on Sky is chuddering on that he thinks the aircraft ran out of fuel as there was hardly any smoke from the crash site!

Hahaha, does he think they forgot to refuel it in Barcelona ?

i'm amazed they let the buffoon chunner on with such claptrap

 

[scotty123]

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Eamonn Holmes on Sky is chuddering on that he thinks the aircraft ran out of fuel as there was hardly any smoke from the crash site!

Hahaha, does he think they forgot to refuel it in Barcelona ?

Looks like it, he was going on with himself and the other people in the studio were sat there with their mouths open, Chris Akabusi's face was a picture

 

[scotty123]

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2 of the passengers live in Manchester!
A Spanish woman and her son, they were flying back to Manc via Dusseldorf

Believed to be 37 year old Marina Bandres Lopez-Belio and her infant son from Fallowfield

 

[The Northern Baptist]

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2 of the passengers live in Manchester!
A Spanish woman and her son, they were flying back to Manc via Dusseldorf

Believed to be 37 year old Marina Bandres Lopez-Belio and her infant son from Fallowfield

I've been told there were 7 passengers on aboard who were changing in Dusseldorf to fly onto Manchester.

 

[manchester blue]

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Reports suggest it was under military escort, although it is the Daily Mail..

If it had been in UK airspace, and descending for 10 minutes without communication, then we would most likely have scrambled an escort to go look what the problem was, we have planes on 24/7 standby for just this scenario. The thing is, if the french did this, why have they not said anything ?

I still think everything points to the pilots being out of action for some reason, they'll know that fairly quickly now they have the data recorder, although nothing yet said about voice recorders as far as I have seen.

Question from amateur and very nervous flyer, would autopilot not have been on so far into the flight? Therefore why crash there if the pilots were incapacitated?