Actfortheact - Save the human rights act now

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Some of you may remember a campaign my wife and I led last year, stillachildat17, which led to a change in the law regarding the treatment of 17-year-olds in custody. We are now supporting and featuring in a campaign to protect the human rights act which we were beneficiaries of this year in our grueling inquest following our daughters death following custody. If you like us are seriously concerned by the governments plans to abolish the act in this country, please have a look at the following link. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/actfortheact" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">www.crowdfunder.co.uk/actfortheact</a>
Regardless of your political biase, this may be of interest to you, and will certainly be big news in the coming months. Please make sure you share this on your social media.
Thanks blues
Matt
 
I'm not a political animal but many on here are so maybe in a very brief post someone could explain why the government want to scrap it? Just to stop terrorists etc from claiming right to a family life etc? And the op and probably many other ppl want to keep it because it Makes the government act to protect/help people that need it?


More details would be helpful so I can make my mind up ta
 
If you follow the link all the info is on there mate. Also if you Google it, there is lots of coverage in many of the nationals. I'm no political animal too, but this is very personal to our family and perhaps to others too? Thanks for showing an interest.
 
BlueBearBoots said:
I'm not a political animal but many on here are so maybe in a very brief post someone could explain why the government want to scrap it? Just to stop terrorists etc from claiming right to a family life etc? And the op and probably many other ppl want to keep it because it Makes the government act to protect/help people that need it?


More details would be helpful so I can make my mind up ta

I am against scrapping it.

Many on here will be for it.

That probably explains it without reading loads of guff ;))
 
Seems to me to be throwing the baby out with the bath water

Tweak it so it can't be misused but continues to protect the innocent,i suspect an ulterior motive by the tories if their other policies are anything to go by
 
Shami Chakrabati wrote this.

In 1998 a young and popular government enshrined the European Convention on Human Rights in law with cross-party support. The Human Rights Act was a beautifully simple piece of legislation that has repeatedly let ordinary people – soldiers, journalists, bereaved families, victims of domestic violence, slavery and rape – hold the state to account.
Our new Government wants to scrap the HRA. Its so-called “British Bill of Rights and Responsibilities” is an incredibly dangerous confidence trick. The omission of “human” and addition of “British” suggests this isn’t about “injecting common sense”. At best, it’s empty pandering to xenophobia.

It undermines the universality of human rights, which earlier generations paid for with their lives, and allows any government to pick when they apply, and to whom.

Chris Grayling’s incoherent strategy paper, presented last October, is all the detail we’ve seen so far. Littered with legal howlers, it was roundly panned. But, leaving aside inaccuracies and inanities, let’s look at what this Bill would actually do.

The pledge to stop those who pose a national security risk or have entered the UK illegally from relying on “questionable human rights claims” is a headline-grabber. But this would turn us into a country happy to deliver other humans – however detestable – into the hands of torturers. One that would ignore innocent British children’s rights when considering deporting their parents. A country to be proud of?

The Bill will also limit the use of human rights laws to the “most serious cases”, with “trivial cases” excluded. Rosa Parks refuses to go to the back of the bus; your dying mum waits hours to be helped to the toilet in her care home. Should politicians decide what is a “trivial case”? I think not.

The obvious and menacing conclusion is this: if the Council of Europe doesn’t agree the Bill is a legitimate way of applying the Convention, the Government will pull out of that too. Churchill’s post-war legacy, drafted by great Conservative legal minds, tossed to the wind.

Repercussions for our shakily united kingdom will be seismic, as the HRA underpins the Good Friday Agreement and the Scotland Act. But the aftershocks will be global; despots in eastern Europe and beyond must be rubbing their hands in glee. If the UK doesn’t care about fundamental rights, why should they?

Human rights are for everyone and must be protected with the law at home and abroad. Because what politics gives, it can also take away.

Perhaps the Government thinks spin about foreign criminals and Bolivian cats has paid off and expects an easy ride from the public. But this is our Human Rights Act. We know what’s at stake and we’re not giving it up without one hell of a fight.Repercussions for our shakily united kingdom will be seismic, as the HRA underpins the Good Friday Agreement and the Scotland Act. But the aftershocks will be global; despots in eastern Europe and beyond must be rubbing their hands in glee. If the UK doesn’t care about fundamental rights, why should they?

Human rights are for everyone and must be protected with the law at home and abroad. Because what politics gives, it can also take away.

Perhaps the Government thinks spin about foreign criminals and Bolivian cats has paid off and expects an easy ride from the public. But this is our Human Rights Act. We know what’s at stake and we’re not giving it up without one hell of a fight.
 
Thanks Rasc knew you would have an opinion on it and although I don't agree with a lot of your politics I'm siding with you on this
 
Rascal said:
Shami Chakrabati wrote this.

In 1998 a young and popular government enshrined the European Convention on Human Rights in law with cross-party support. The Human Rights Act was a beautifully simple piece of legislation that has repeatedly let ordinary people – soldiers, journalists, bereaved families, victims of domestic violence, slavery and rape – hold the state to account.
Our new Government wants to scrap the HRA. Its so-called “British Bill of Rights and Responsibilities” is an incredibly dangerous confidence trick. The omission of “human” and addition of “British” suggests this isn’t about “injecting common sense”. At best, it’s empty pandering to xenophobia.

It undermines the universality of human rights, which earlier generations paid for with their lives, and allows any government to pick when they apply, and to whom.

Chris Grayling’s incoherent strategy paper, presented last October, is all the detail we’ve seen so far. Littered with legal howlers, it was roundly panned. But, leaving aside inaccuracies and inanities, let’s look at what this Bill would actually do.

The pledge to stop those who pose a national security risk or have entered the UK illegally from relying on “questionable human rights claims” is a headline-grabber. But this would turn us into a country happy to deliver other humans – however detestable – into the hands of torturers. One that would ignore innocent British children’s rights when considering deporting their parents. A country to be proud of?

The Bill will also limit the use of human rights laws to the “most serious cases”, with “trivial cases” excluded. Rosa Parks refuses to go to the back of the bus; your dying mum waits hours to be helped to the toilet in her care home. Should politicians decide what is a “trivial case”? I think not.

The obvious and menacing conclusion is this: if the Council of Europe doesn’t agree the Bill is a legitimate way of applying the Convention, the Government will pull out of that too. Churchill’s post-war legacy, drafted by great Conservative legal minds, tossed to the wind.

Repercussions for our shakily united kingdom will be seismic, as the HRA underpins the Good Friday Agreement and the Scotland Act. But the aftershocks will be global; despots in eastern Europe and beyond must be rubbing their hands in glee. If the UK doesn’t care about fundamental rights, why should they?

Human rights are for everyone and must be protected with the law at home and abroad. Because what politics gives, it can also take away.

Perhaps the Government thinks spin about foreign criminals and Bolivian cats has paid off and expects an easy ride from the public. But this is our Human Rights Act. We know what’s at stake and we’re not giving it up without one hell of a fight.Repercussions for our shakily united kingdom will be seismic, as the HRA underpins the Good Friday Agreement and the Scotland Act. But the aftershocks will be global; despots in eastern Europe and beyond must be rubbing their hands in glee. If the UK doesn’t care about fundamental rights, why should they?

Human rights are for everyone and must be protected with the law at home and abroad. Because what politics gives, it can also take away.

Perhaps the Government thinks spin about foreign criminals and Bolivian cats has paid off and expects an easy ride from the public. But this is our Human Rights Act. We know what’s at stake and we’re not giving it up without one hell of a fight.

Not sure what Bolivian cats have to do with the Human Rights Bill but here is a picture of one I found the other day.

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It was a pointless piece of legislation as we are bound by the ECHR anyway. It is flawed and has been abused by some who pose a threat to the UK. It should never have been enacted but the current government can't just scrap it so they want to replace it with a similar act which is less open to abuse. Again this is meaningless unless we withdraw from the ECHR but to do that would mean leaving the EU too.
 
Rascal said:
Shami Chakrabati wrote this.

In 1998 a young and popular government enshrined the European Convention on Human Rights in law with cross-party support. The Human Rights Act was a beautifully simple piece of legislation that has repeatedly let ordinary people – soldiers, journalists, bereaved families, victims of domestic violence, slavery and rape – hold the state to account.
Our new Government wants to scrap the HRA. Its so-called “British Bill of Rights and Responsibilities” is an incredibly dangerous confidence trick. The omission of “human” and addition of “British” suggests this isn’t about “injecting common sense”. At best, it’s empty pandering to xenophobia.

It undermines the universality of human rights, which earlier generations paid for with their lives, and allows any government to pick when they apply, and to whom.

Chris Grayling’s incoherent strategy paper, presented last October, is all the detail we’ve seen so far. Littered with legal howlers, it was roundly panned. But, leaving aside inaccuracies and inanities, let’s look at what this Bill would actually do.

The pledge to stop those who pose a national security risk or have entered the UK illegally from relying on “questionable human rights claims” is a headline-grabber. But this would turn us into a country happy to deliver other humans – however detestable – into the hands of torturers. One that would ignore innocent British children’s rights when considering deporting their parents. A country to be proud of?

The Bill will also limit the use of human rights laws to the “most serious cases”, with “trivial cases” excluded. Rosa Parks refuses to go to the back of the bus; your dying mum waits hours to be helped to the toilet in her care home. Should politicians decide what is a “trivial case”? I think not.

The obvious and menacing conclusion is this: if the Council of Europe doesn’t agree the Bill is a legitimate way of applying the Convention, the Government will pull out of that too. Churchill’s post-war legacy, drafted by great Conservative legal minds, tossed to the wind.

Repercussions for our shakily united kingdom will be seismic, as the HRA underpins the Good Friday Agreement and the Scotland Act. But the aftershocks will be global; despots in eastern Europe and beyond must be rubbing their hands in glee. If the UK doesn’t care about fundamental rights, why should they?

Human rights are for everyone and must be protected with the law at home and abroad. Because what politics gives, it can also take away.

Perhaps the Government thinks spin about foreign criminals and Bolivian cats has paid off and expects an easy ride from the public. But this is our Human Rights Act. We know what’s at stake and we’re not giving it up without one hell of a fight.Repercussions for our shakily united kingdom will be seismic, as the HRA underpins the Good Friday Agreement and the Scotland Act. But the aftershocks will be global; despots in eastern Europe and beyond must be rubbing their hands in glee. If the UK doesn’t care about fundamental rights, why should they?

Human rights are for everyone and must be protected with the law at home and abroad. Because what politics gives, it can also take away.

Perhaps the Government thinks spin about foreign criminals and Bolivian cats has paid off and expects an easy ride from the public. But this is our Human Rights Act. We know what’s at stake and we’re not giving it up without one hell of a fight.
Thanks for this article, says it all for me.
 

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