Added On Time It Dont Add Up

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Rasher

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I have just watched the Liverpool game and at the end of 90mins the referee indicated that there would be 3 mins added on time he actually played 5 mins. Now I know that they say its a minimum but my problem with it is this.
If the ref has added on 2 mins extra over and above the 3 mins he indicated, thats tell me he has found 66.6% extra in the 3 mins, but in the 45min period he only found just under 7 % to add on over the 45min.
The refs idea of what to add on in added on time is not the same as in normal time. My opinion is that time keeping should be taken off the refs and managed by an official in the stands.
 
Rasher said:
I have just watched the Liverpool game and at the end of 90mins the referee indicated that there would be 3 mins added on time he actually played 5 mins. Now I know that they say its a minimum but my problem with it is this.
If the ref has added on 2 mins extra over and above the 3 mins he indicated, thats tell me he has found 66.6% extra in the 3 mins, but in the 45min period he only found just under 7 % to add on over the 45min.
The refs idea of what to add on in added on time is not the same as in normal time. My opinion is that time keeping should be taken off the refs and managed by an official in the stands.
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i think it was walton trying to hand it on on a plate but they still couldnt get the 2nd goal, lets see what tomorrow brings if were 0-1 up at the 90th
 
That is what I was thinking as i watched him play on and on, he actually blew once Liverpool finished their attack even though by then he had play almost 2 minutes more than indicated hence why i tried to explain it in %.
 
I'm pretty sure it was 4 minutes injury time not 3.

Still agree with you though. Time keeping should be so much more transparent.
 
swblue said:
I'm pretty sure it was 4 minutes injury time not 3.

Still agree with you though. Time keeping should be so much more transparent.
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It was 4 minutes and then Norwich did a (slow) substitution. So that would bring it up to four and a half minutes. Don't know if he added any more on for time wasting, and I don't recall any injury in stoppage time.
 
0+1 Carroll's disappointing ball rolls harmlessly through to a grateful Ruddy.

Substitution90 Pool's Daniel Agger replaces Kuyt. There will be three minutes of extra time.

88 Enrique's aimless ball is easily intercepted in the final third. Soon after Holt's hopeful flick on inside the Reds box fails to find a yellow jersey.

Sorry I think it was 3 but that is not my point even if it was 4 the maths still dont work out
 
I was at a refs society meeting which was attended by one of our UEFA refs and he said that in UEFA competitions you are not expected to play more than 3 minutes over unless there has been a major incident. How can this be?

However, we are told by the FA to add half a minute for each sub as long as it is not done at half time,half a minute for goals scored, time for injuries and if a team are blatantly wasting time.
 
richardtheref said:
I was at a refs society meeting which was attended by one of our UEFA refs and he said that in UEFA competitions you are not expected to play more than 3 minutes over unless there has been a major incident. How can this be?

However, we are told by the FA to add half a minute for each sub as long as it is not done at half time,half a minute for goals scored, time for injuries and if a team are blatantly wasting time.
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so you must see why i cannot understand how the added time can be right. 2 minutes on top of the 3 already given. So over 45 there was only 3 minutes to add on but over 3 minutes he found another 2 it just dont add up!!!!!
 
Rasher said:
richardtheref said:
I was at a refs society meeting which was attended by one of our UEFA refs and he said that in UEFA competitions you are not expected to play more than 3 minutes over unless there has been a major incident. How can this be?

However, we are told by the FA to add half a minute for each sub as long as it is not done at half time,half a minute for goals scored, time for injuries and if a team are blatantly wasting time.
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so you must see why i cannot understand how the added time can be right. 2 minutes on top of the 3 already given. So over 45 there was only 3 minutes to add on but over 3 minutes he found another 2 it just dont add up!!!!!
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Easy answer to this one.

It was Peter Walton - Shittest Ref the Premiership has ever seen.
 
Ricster said:
It was Peter Walton - Shittest Ref the Premiership has ever seen.
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Don't know about that but thought he refereed the game very well today.
The commentators said three minutes but the caption on the screen (ESPN) said four. EIther way there were no injuries and no time wasting that I could remember.
 
It's so simple to fix as well. Just need to adopt the rugby way where the clock is paused for stoppages and subs and what not and that way as soon as the clock hits 90, the game has ended. No more dodgy added time where they have to make up some bollocks like 30 seconds added for subs which has never been applied except for that famous game against the rags.
 
The way added time is allotted is totally wrong, the only way to deal with this issue is to have none, 90mins blow the whistle, roll on roll off subs, no need to stop the game, after goals if the team that conceded the goal are back in position and ready to play kick off, will stop teams over celebrating and will ensure they get back in position ready to kick off, injured players treated as the game goes on like rugby, no need for added time

If there is a major injury the clock stops and this is taken care of by the 4th official, who then indicates the exact time and makes both benches and fans aware of what is to be added then no more or no less is played
 
Introduce Rugby style clock stopping and remove this controversy from the game. Or is a bloke starting and stopping a stopwatch too expensive to implement for UEFA?
 
What gets me is the fact that referees nearly always blow the whistle at the turn of the minute.

Given all that is riding on each game I find it astonishing that people blindly accept this. If there's been three minutes thirty three seconds injury time etc that's what should be added on.
 
The thing is under the current true regulations the clock should stop every time the ball goes dead, if this was to happen there would be anything from 20-30 mins added time
 
big blueballs said:
The thing is under the current true regulations the clock should stop every time the ball goes dead, if this was to happen there would be anything from 20-30 mins added time
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Then they need to amend the rules. I don't know if you watch Rugby, but they just stop it when either the ref signals it to sort something out (say in football they're pissing around on a setpiece with the wall or something) or if a player needs onfield treatment. There is obviously no reason to stop it for dead balls or to account for setting up set pieces or what have you.

The current system is very suspect, the "fergie time" phenomenon being the most infamous example. Simply stopping the clock when the game has to stop would take refs out of the equation as effectively as reasonably possible and we'd have fewer of these controversial circumstances of ridiculous stoppage time clinching a last gasp winner. Whistle goes at 90 minutes, no arguments about it.
 
big blueballs said:
The thing is under the current true regulations the clock should stop every time the ball goes dead, if this was to happen there would be anything from 20-30 mins added time
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This is what I was about to say, if we had a rugby system of stopping the clock every time the ball went dead we could end up with games that are half an hour longer than we have now. This would mean we would have to make games shorter to compensate.

The best way of doing it is some kind of interpolation method where a 5th official keeps track of the ball going out, he registers every second that the ball is dead. He then (with no judgement required) compares this amount of time to a certain set of ranges. Say something like:

If the ball spends 10 minutes out of play, 1 minute is added.
If the ball spends 15 minutes out of play, 2 minutes is added.
... and so on.

That, to me, would seem a fair and scientific way of doing it.
 
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