Mad Eyed Screamer
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Thank you Robert Zimmerman
Advice needed re possible speeding ticket
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My pleasure, and a nice edit.
Seeing as you're here and living in the USA, I've seen numerous videos of bikers and car drivers escaping from the police by travelling at stupid speeds, but I've never read in the comments someone writing something like ' They'll have their address from the ANPR camera on board, so they'll know where they live'.
Out of curiosity, do the police in the USA have that technology availabe to them?
Mad Eyed Screamer
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The police in the US have a lap top in their cars! So if they have the license plate, they know the name and address of the driver / rider (obviously could be stolen) and also if the vehicle is insured or not.
I got pulled over once and once pulled over it took maybe 2 mins before the cop actually approached my car - he was getting all the info in first. He then asked for my license and insurance. For some reason I didn't have my insurance details in the car - no worry he said, "I've already checked that you are insured" but the twat gave me a ticket for not producing insurance - even though he knew I had insurance - and I had 28 days to produce proof and pay a %10 fine.
The police in the US have a lap top in their cars! So if they have the license plate, they know the name and address of the driver / rider (obviously could be stolen) and also if the vehicle is insured or not.
I got pulled over once and once pulled over it took maybe 2 mins before the cop actually approached my car - he was getting all the info in first. He then asked for my license and insurance. For some reason I didn't have my insurance details in the car - no worry he said, "I've already checked that you are insured" but the twat gave me a ticket for not producing insurance - even though he knew I had insurance - and I had 28 days to produce proof and pay a %10 fine.
Johnny Mars Bar
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Car speedometers read a few mph over for this reason. If your speedo says you’re doing 37 you’re really doing about 33.
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Here is a funny one. Most villages and towns where I live have speed limits changing anywhere between 20, 30 and 40 now. People spend more time changing their cruise control. Somehow, it does not stop people driving through a rural area at 60-90 mph. But it is okay, because the people that do 35 in a 30 keep the local police service going with their £100 top up.
dickie davies
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Can you imagine the law suits against manufacturers if the speedometers were as inaccurate as you're saying!
It's the other way round
A car's speedo is less accurate at low speeds and shows a higher mph
If it says 33, you're probably travelling at 30
If you're speedo is showing 80, it may only be 1mph out and you're travelling at 79
@GornikDaze daughter was caught twice travelling at 36
Her speedo would more than likely have been showing 38
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Johnny Mars Bar
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Hahaha it’s early. I meant that the other way round.
It probably varies by manufacturer but I’ve found stock speedos to over read equally at high speeds on most cars I’ve owned. Even at 70 they’re often about 5mph over a gps
dickie davies
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That's what I thought until my last speeding offence, at 79 mph
Johnny Mars Bar
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Unlucky.
Guessing that was on the motorway and not hooning through a 20mph school zone ;)
Johnny Mars Bar
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If people spent more energy reading the road and not fucking around with stupid electric “features”, there would be far fewer accidents.
I drive a vehicle that doesn’t even have airbags or ABS. That knowledge in the back of your mind is the biggest safety feature going.
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Mate this just makes it worse, speeding with grandson in the car.
Having been on a speed awareness course you get to understand the dangers of just being 5mph over (as I was) in a 30 limit.
Taught me a lesson I don't speed regardless how close the knobhead behind gets.
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What is the "10%+2" rule and what does it mean? - Road Law Barristers
When it comes to speeding, most people will have heard tales of the 10% plus 2 rule. But what does this "rule" actually mean in practice?
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I attended a speed awareness course a few weeks ago. I was last prosecuted for speeding in 1976, have had a clean licence for over 40 years, but was caught again in March.What is the "10%+2" rule and what does it mean? - Road Law Barristers
When it comes to speeding, most people will have heard tales of the 10% plus 2 rule. But what does this "rule" actually mean in practice?
Some people on the course, one lady being on the table I was siiting at who was from Leeds, and a couple of people behind me from different areas, were there because they were travelling 1 mph over the speed limit.
The drive safe people who were running the course said they were seeing increasing numbers of attendees with similar stories appearing before them. Their advice, which is what I alluded to in my comment, was to forget the 10% plus 2 mph rule and accept the speed being shown on your tacho as accurate.
It isn't of course, I know my speedometer overreads by 3 mph, but I'm happy to accept the reading it shows from now on because, ultimately, travelling 3 mph slower doesn't make a bean of difference to my arrival time, and won't result in another letter arriving out of the blue which, over the next three years, won't give me the option of a course but will result in 3 points on my licence and an increase in my insurance premiums.
It's odd how we accept stuff like this now, as I remember reading an article in the Sunday Times many years ago by a bloke from England who took a Rolls Royce to Poland and Russia. It was during the cold war years in the early 80's, and while he was in Russia, he was astounded by the number of lookout posts he passed on his travels.
He explained they were timing him from post to post to check his average speed wasn't exceeding the limit, and waxed lyrical about how fortunate we were living in a country without such oppressive measures.
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richardtheref
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I was on a speed awareness course about 2 years ago. I received a letter from Durham constabulary advising I had been clocked doing 34 in a 30 zone. The night before I found an article in Which. They had asked all the relevant authorities about their tolerance for speeding. Durham came back saying they only prosecuted for being 10% plus 2mph over the speed limit. Anything under this and they would issue a warning only.
I attended the course and as we were starting I pointed this out to the instructor. He said this was correct and asked to see my original letter showing the speed I was doing. He then left the room and came back and said I should have only received a warning and I could leave. I also asked him what I needed to do to get the money back I had paid for the course. He said I needed to speak to Durham constabulary about this.
At this point 2 other people got up saying that they to had been under the tolerance level. The guy again went and checked, came back and said all 3 of us could leave.
However, I never did get my money back as apparently I hadn't disputed I was speeding. If I had I may have been refunded.
It is a money making exercise pure and simple. The police get the majority of the fee you pay for a course.
If you have to pay a fine it is split between the government and local councils and the police don't see any.
If anyone thinks it's about road safety, think again.
A few years back the government decided they would get all the money and allocate it out. As a result GMP agreed with the local councils not to look at the footage and no one was prosecuted.
The government gave in. It's a cash cow pure and simple
Oh and it was a retired senior cop that first started the company providing the courses. Not bent at all.
richardtheref
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It was an ex copper taking the course i attended. Even though I was only there 10 minutes he must have mentioned that he was an advanced police driver at least 3 times. You are quite right it was the council I actually attempted to get the money back from.
That was 2 years ago. Times have seemingly changed.
Three people out of the 18 on the course said they were just one or two mph over the limit, one person was from Leeds, another said they were from Stoke, the last didn't say where they were caught.
The instructors didn't leave the room to check, they explained that as speed cameras were far more accurate now, there was an increasing zero tolerance attitude by some forces regarding speeding.
The lady sitting next to me from Leeds was on the course for travelling at 31mph in a 30mph zone. She said the speed camera that clocked her near her home had just been replaced by one of the new ones, and the instructors said they were seeing increasing numbers of people attending their courses with similar stories.
The instructors weren't ex police, had no idea what we had done to be there and had no interest in finding out.
The course is about road safety, despite what some on here say to the contrary.
It was revealing how so few on the course didn't know speed limits, what a dual carriageway was, what the lanes on motorways were for, and the answers to the hazard perception videos were, quite frankly, a frightening enlightenment on just how switched off the majority on the course were in assessing the road ahead for potential problems.
I was the only person there answering each question correctly. I'm not blowing smoke up my own backside with that. I ride a motorbike and drove coaches for a living before I retired over 6 years ago. I had my driving regularly assessed by a driver trainer, where attitudes to driving and the scenarios brought up on the course were made aware to me many years ago, and I ride defensively.
I was caught out by a momentary lapse of concentration, which is why I was on the course, but it was an absolute revelation to me, if the others on the course are representative of the general driving population, how little they know about the rules of the road.
What was worse, after clear and concise explanations from the instructors on particular points, many of them still couldn't answer the questions correctly and hadn't learned anything.
I'll leave it at that.
According to Google, the police get about £45 per person for the courses.
If they are now prosecuting drivers for doing 31mph in a 30 they are doing nothing more than operating a cash cow.
If they really want to push road safety, put the cameras on traffic lights.
richardtheref
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I have just had a look and all of Yorkshire and Staffordshire councils allegedly do not prosecute for 10% plus 2mph
dickie davies
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Just pre covid, I was prosecuted for 79 on the A1M in North Yorkshire
And according to this FOI link, South Yorkshire is also 10%+2
UK speed camera tolerances revealed
Police forces confirm speed cameras have a tolerance before they start going after speeders, but drivers who take advantage risk being hit with a fine.
www.confused.com