Afghanistan

What a cunts trick, get the locals to work for you, get them to believe in you and then fcuk off and leave them to it.
We should be ashamed
 
hilts said:
Some problems have no answer but the handling of it is tragic. A huge own goal for the west and too many deaths that most don't care about.
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It makes me feel ashamed to call myself part of the human race.

We are in lockdown still with the overbearing restriction on freedoms in a so called democratic society because of a virus that has 8 people in Victorian hospitals and 2 in ICU with jobs crushed . businesses trashed , mental health deterioration , suicide attempts etc etc on a massive rise , children's education on hold the impacts of which will be felt for generations to come all in the name of keeping us "safe" because the state cannot trust a tiny percentage of the population to do the " right thing ".

that is bad enough for the millions negatively impacted for unnecessary extended period of times too long for many who see no hope after 18 months of restricted freedom with nobody given licence to be responsible for their own health but man's inhumanity to man seems to know no bounds and again we see it in this case.
 
Biden is being an arrogant **** about it all.

"Don't blame us! We've got what we want so we'll fuck off and let you do what you want."
 
kaz7 said:
To be fair the army was 300,000 strong and well trained , it was expected they could hold their own but they just down tools and ran, not much anybody can do about that
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Not at all.

Maybe they all fancied an easy way out of growing beards and misogyny?
 
kaz7 said:
To be fair the army was 300,000 strong and well trained , it was expected they could hold their own but they just down tools and ran, not much anybody can do about that
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amp.theguardian.com

A tale of two armies: why Afghan forces proved no match for the Taliban

Poorly led and riddled with corruption, the Afghan army was overrun in a matter of weeks
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

The USA were putting on a show, it was obvious to military commanders with a critical eye that the Afghan Army were not capable of resisting the insurgency long term.

Last month they even pulled out all their troops and left bases vacant without telling the new commanders.

apnews.com

US left Afghan airfield at night, didn't tell new commander

Afghan military officials say the U.S. left Afghanistan’s Bagram Airfield after nearly 20 years by slipping away in the night, without notifying the base’s new Afghan commander.
apnews.com apnews.com
 
Fode N The Hole said:
amp.theguardian.com

A tale of two armies: why Afghan forces proved no match for the Taliban

Poorly led and riddled with corruption, the Afghan army was overrun in a matter of weeks
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

The USA were putting on a show, it was obvious to military commanders with a critical eye that the Afghan Army were not capable of resisting the insurgency long term.

Last month they even pulled out all their troops and left bases vacant without telling the new commanders.

apnews.com

US left Afghan airfield at night, didn't tell new commander

Afghan military officials say the U.S. left Afghanistan’s Bagram Airfield after nearly 20 years by slipping away in the night, without notifying the base’s new Afghan commander.
apnews.com apnews.com
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They were not capable of resisting any movement short term Fode.

The US knew it so I will give Joe some slack as he has been poorly advised or set up by some in the administration who want him out and don't mind the poor showing on the world stage and its repercussions to the West which China and Russia and Pakistan and Iran to name a few will seize on.

i just wish they could have organised the removal of the support staff and those that assisted the US and all the allies fighting ISIS and the Taliban in effect earlier this century in a way they could have and should have learnt the 70's.

In Australia it was well known that around 1000 personnel and their families were to be last on the planes and could sort out the paper work in the UAE where we have a base with access to necessities.

yes some have turned rogue and checks need to be made to keep them from entering the UK and US etc but some will always find a way of slipping through the net and they can be handled within border security in their destined homeland.
 
kaz7 said:
To be fair the army was 300,000 strong and well trained , it was expected they could hold their own but they just down tools and ran, not much anybody can do about that
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The problem was it was also utterly corrupt. They only know that 300,000 salaries were being paid, many to imaginary people. It's not clear how many of the 300,000 were real. The problem is that Afghanistan doesn't fit the mould of being a nation state. They are not loyal to their country, they are loyal to their tribe, and trying to force disparate people to work together was never going to work. Had the US recognised this fact from the start and didn't bother trying to nation build but supported the individual tribes to look after their own areas things might have been very different. The other option would have been after the terrorist training camps were removed in the first couple of months of the war, they could have agreed terms with the Taliban, but that was unpalatable at the time.
 
mancity1 said:
They were not capable of resisting any movement short term Fode.

The US knew it so I will give Joe some slack as he has been poorly advised or set up by some in the administration who want him out and don't mind the poor showing on the world stage and its repercussions to the West which China and Russia and Pakistan and Iran to name a few will seize on.

i just wish they could have organised the removal of the support staff and those that assisted the US and all the allies fighting ISIS and the Taliban in effect earlier this century in a way they could have and should have learnt the 70's.

In Australia it was well known that around 1000 personnel and their families were to be last on the planes and could sort out the paper work in the UAE where we have a base with access to necessities.

yes some have turned rogue and checks need to be made to keep them from entering the UK and US etc but some will always find a way of slipping through the net and they can be handled within border security in their destined homeland.
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To be honest this crossed my mind too. Potentially Trump loyalists in the DoD dropping Biden in the sh*t.

However it went down it's done and it needed to be done. Given that it was already a done deal form the previous administration Biden was between a rock and a hard place and it was never going to be easy. Like I said earlier in the thread, it's like ripping off a plaster (Bandaid for our US cousins). It's going to hurt anyway so you might as well get it done.
 
west didsblue said:
The problem was it was also utterly corrupt. They only know that 300,000 salaries were being paid, many to imaginary people. It's not clear how many of the 300,000 were real. The problem is that Afghanistan doesn't fit the mould of being a nation state. They are not loyal to their country, they are loyal to their tribe, and trying to force disparate people to work together was never going to work. Had the US recognised this fact from the start and didn't bother trying to nation build but supported the individual tribes to look after their own areas things might have been very different. The other option would have been after the terrorist training camps were removed in the first couple of months of the war, they could have agreed terms with the Taliban, but that was unpalatable at the time.
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It is a fucking clusterfuck , just seen the taliban news conference , pure bollocks about women when their actions so far are showing no tolerance for them working and wanting to take the girls , the so called army have let every female down

You are right , once isis was defeated they should have supported the tribes but they didnt want to know from the begining , the allied forces were scum to them
 
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