Not really, humour operates on a sub conscious level, and it subtly changes over time. Jokes about Blacks, Asians, Gays, Irish and women, particularly "the wife", were common place at one time, they still are, but not told by pissed up northern comics so much these days, but by Blacks, Asians, Irish, Gays and women themselves, they've seized control of this humour, a power grab where the humour is no longer the exclusive preserve of white men doing them down, but is their own, sometimes cutting, sometimes self deprecating, sometimes caustic, but they own it now, and if you laugh along it's on their terms, it's their joke, it's their humour, it belongs to them.
a) I have no idea what that particular response is to and
b) how on earth does that affect the pathway of what, potentially, is now in the zone of 'racism'...??
I understand when conversation leads to other branches off the route, but your 'point' is a whole other tree...
We both seem to be at odds, I'm not really sure the point you're making.
Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick.
What is racism if not power? One group over another, with the powerful group justifying its power in any number of bullshit ways. Once you see it that way, then jokes made by the powerful "against" (which is what it is) women, gays, Asians, Blacks, who are seen as the powerless by the powerful, become much of a muchness.
The reason Sugar got flak was because he set himself up as the rich, powerful white guy making a joke about Senegalese footballers by comparing them to hawkers of knocked off tat, the joke itself was immaterial, it was the guy making it that mattered. The same joke made by a Senegalese comic might be considered an in joke, a knowing wink within the same group, in the same way Black American comics can use the word ****** but white comics can't, Jewish comics can make Yid jokes but non-Jewish wants can't.
Correction: They can make those joke, but it's not funny, it's something else.
Ah, now I see.
We're arguing the same point, to a degree. You also quoted a text out of context which was the tail end of the conversation between SWP's Back and I. My last response to him was 'tongue-in-cheek'.
But, going back to your post, my POV actually started from what was xenophobic, what was jingoistic and what was racism and it transpires the new meaning of racism becomes even more diluted from its origin to now potentially anything that can be affected.
And we're not far from that literal standpoint, according to the law, it seems.
I always thought that "Srralan" sounded better.Well none of you fuckers would get on his apprentice show if you call him Alan Sugar. He's Lord Sugar, and calling him Lord Sugar has to be done with a level of grovelling normally reserved for Liz and the kids.
And that's just those on his team, the contestants have to be even more obsequious.