Fair enough. The worry for me would be the damage he’s capable of in the meantime. Well it’d be a worry if I still lived in the U.K.
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I think they'll all be damaging to the UK tbh as they're all incompetent, malevolent or spineless. So I'm not worried about that part, I'd prefer a spineless one.Fair enough. The worry for me would be the damage he’s capable of in the meantime. Well it’d be a worry if I still lived in the U.K.
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I have principles, but also a vested interest in seeing Johnson become PM.
Is that interest about 50/1?
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Nope, I actually put money on Stewart.Is that interest about 50/1?
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Nope, I actually put money on Stewart.
Heart over head?
The main difficulty is that you won't ever be negotiating with Johnson's opinions. You'll be negotiating with whoever is paying him that week.
That might at least be predictable, but if not, there is the alternative of frustrating him until he stands up, says something in Greek and declares war on something nearby.
Piece of cake.
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I thought the Tory parliamentary party might have remembered that they need to appeal to the centre as it has 20m-30m more votes in a GE than their membership do, unfortunately they went heart over head. Good for Ireland they did though, rather deal with Johnson than Stewart tbh.Heart over head?
The main difficulty is that you won't ever be negotiating with Johnson's opinions. You'll be negotiating with whoever is paying him that week.
That might at least be predictable, but if not, there is the alternative of frustrating him until he stands up, says something in Greek and declares war on something nearby.
Piece of cake.
Johnson's biggest issue is he's like a weathervane, he has no guiding ethos, no principles, no line in the sand. Varadkar on the other hand once he sets his mind on something is like a bull, as is Michael Martin (FF leader and most likely next Taoiseach if anything happens to Varadkar). They're both strongly principled, understand the issues involved and stand their ground. Either against Johnson is a win for us.
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At least with Johnson he’s not an idealist, he’s self-interested. So whilst banging on about no-deal suits him now, it won’t suit him early October when the situation is either agree what’s on the table or Parliament will be brought down and have a general election.
If he gets in the PR will start pretty quickly that the WA isn’t that bad after all(hence him voting for it last time) and we need to move on and ‘get on with it’. Hey presto!
If he gets in the PR will start pretty quickly that the WA isn’t that bad after all(hence him voting for it last time) and we need to move on and ‘get on with it’. Hey presto!
MillionMilesAway
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I thought the Tory parliamentary party might have remembered that they need to appeal to the centre as it has 20m-30m more votes in a GE than their membership do, unfortunately they went heart over head. Good for Ireland they did though, rather deal with Johnson than Stewart tbh.
Johnson's biggest issue is he's like a weathervane, he has no guiding ethos, no principles, no line in the sand. Varadkar on the other hand once he sets his mind on something is like a bull, as is Michael Martin (FF leader and most likely next Taoiseach if anything happens to Varadkar). They're both strongly principled, understand the issues involved and stand their ground. Either against Johnson is a win for us.
Like pigs in clover. Anyone, anywhere, against Johnson should be a win!
He does have principles - anything that gets him more money, a bigger ego and women.
He got 114; presumably 50-70 of that are the ERG, who think they can run him. The rest (barring anyone voting for McVey, who will probably trot along to Johnson's trough) really do need to pick one. Stewart is just too new and junior really. I think it comes down to which of Gove and Hunt stands down in favour of the other.
At least with Johnson he’s not an idealist, he’s self-interested. So whilst banging on about no-deal suits him now, it won’t suit him early October when the situation is either agree what’s on the table or Parliament will be brought down and have a general election.
If he gets in the PR will start pretty quickly that the WA isn’t that bad after all(hence him voting for it last time) and we need to move on and ‘get on with it’. Hey presto!
The WA will probably pass.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he attached a confirmatory vote to it though as well.
He’ll do whatever he can to not force a GE yet and to allow the next 3 years to get into a position to beat Corbyn.
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Was he the captain on the Titanic?
Not a chance he would have got that far before sinking it. You wouldn't have had time for your first pint before grabbing a life jacket