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We all have a deep affection for Aguero and who doesn't want him to break all the goalscoring records for us? However, Pep bringing in Jesus has exposed Aguero's glaring weaknesses, he just isn't a top link up player, he needs an extra touch or second most of the time. I did actually see him playing some first time passes against Hull and was pleasantly surprised but it just isn't in his nature and I don't see that changing. He is no longer a starter if Sterling/Sane are as Jesus starts every week when fit.
 
aguero93:20 said:
It's quite easy, we haven't given them the necessary platform, they've never had the supporting cast that the star players at Bayern, Barca and Madrid have had.
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So the only way our star players can shine is with star players around them? Hmmm, I can't say i agree with where you're going with this. I appreciate that those teams have better squad than us, but the conversation is really about those 'moments' that turn seasons. Like 93.20. Those moments aren't really about a team being amazing, they're about big players doing something when it's needed. Like KDB against PSG last season, or against Barcelona this season. For me, Aguero has consistently failed to deliver in those moments since the 13/14. Maybe that's harsh, but then I think the ease with which Jesus benched Kun suggests that Pep is going to be just that harsh.
 
Dybala > Sanchez and no that's not based on yesterdays game, i have been saying for a long time if you look at my history. And if you talk about playing as a striker, Sanchez doesn't come close to Kun. Kun is by far the better striker. I love Sanchez, i love his energy and his agility but at 28 I think if possible you are better of signing someone like Dybala whom is alot younger and as i have sed previously, he's a future Ballon D'or contender. He's so naturally gifted you could see he was going to be a star when he first went to Italy. Imagine a front line of Sane,Jesus,Sterling,Dybala that would be in my opinion one of the most dangerous attacks in the world, and with potential to be the best for many years.

So I would go with Dybala > Aguero > Sanchez.
 
Damien10 said:
Dybala > Sanchez and no that's not based on yesterdays game, i have been saying for a long time if you look at my history. And if you talk about playing as a striker, Sanchez doesn't come close to Kun. Kun is by far the better striker. I love Sanchez, i love his energy and his agility but at 28 I think if possible you are better of signing someone like Dybala whom is alot younger and as i have sed previously, he's a future Ballon D'or contender. He's so naturally gifted you could see he was going to be a star when he first went to Italy. Imagine a front line of Sane,Jesus,Sterling,Dybala that would be in my opinion one of the most dangerous attacks in the world, and with potential to be the best for many years.

So I would go with Dybala > Aguero > Sanchez.
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Dybala looks a clone of the Kun we signed. There's an argument that Kun doesn't fit this system, so before you even get into money, I'd say Sanchez makes more sense because he'll fit right into the system.

Dybala looks immense, but he's not having to press and is playing in a system vastly different to ours.

Plus after Pogshit, Juve will set 90 mil as the minimum to get him out of there.
 
Damien10 said:
Dybala > Sanchez and no that's not based on yesterdays game, i have been saying for a long time if you look at my history. And if you talk about playing as a striker, Sanchez doesn't come close to Kun. Kun is by far the better striker. I love Sanchez, i love his energy and his agility but at 28 I think if possible you are better of signing someone like Dybala whom is alot younger and as i have sed previously, he's a future Ballon D'or contender. He's so naturally gifted you could see he was going to be a star when he first went to Italy. Imagine a front line of Sane,Jesus,Sterling,Dybala that would be in my opinion one of the most dangerous attacks in the world, and with potential to be the best for many years.

So I would go with Dybala > Aguero > Sanchez.
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Damien10 said:
Dybala > Sanchez and no that's not based on yesterdays game, i have been saying for a long time if you look at my history. And if you talk about playing as a striker, Sanchez doesn't come close to Kun. Kun is by far the better striker. I love Sanchez, i love his energy and his agility but at 28 I think if possible you are better of signing someone like Dybala whom is alot younger and as i have sed previously, he's a future Ballon D'or contender. He's so naturally gifted you could see he was going to be a star when he first went to Italy. Imagine a front line of Sane,Jesus,Sterling,Dybala that would be in my opinion one of the most dangerous attacks in the world, and with potential to be the best for many years.

So I would go with Dybala > Aguero > Sanchez.
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Aguero is the better striker, but Alexis won't be coming to replace him, Gabriel already has. Rather than have Kun on the bench it's better to get Sanchez who can also play on the wings.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
Dybala looks a clone of the Kun we signed. There's an argument that Kun doesn't fit this system, so before you even get into money, I'd say Sanchez makes more sense because he'll fit right into the system.

Dybala looks immense, but he's not having to press and is playing in a system vastly different to ours.

Plus after Pogshit, Juve will set 90 mil as the minimum to get him out of there.
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Read summat the other day,it was saying that Dybala is willing to discuss a new contract with Juve,but wants a release clause putting in the contract just for Barcelona.......summat along them lines.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
Dybala looks a clone of the Kun we signed. There's an argument that Kun doesn't fit this system, so before you even get into money, I'd say Sanchez makes more sense because he'll fit right into the system.

Dybala looks immense, but he's not having to press and is playing in a system vastly different to ours.

Plus after Pogshit, Juve will set 90 mil as the minimum to get him out of there.
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So Messi wouldn't fit the system either? I don't believe Aguero doesn't fit Peps system what i believe is Aguero is sometimes selfish and doesn't pick up his head to spot passes. And surprisingly he's missing very good opportunity this year, he's not being a 'killer' in the box. I think thats the main thing Pep is frustrated about.
 
BillyShears said:
It's funny, part of the contradiction within the Aguero discussion is that on the one hand there's this strong feeling that over the last five years we've underachieved massively, and on the other hand people seem petrified of letting go of the players who were the core of that team that underachieved.
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The problem here is that for the most part people have incorrectly blamed the manager. Whether that was Mancini or Pelegrini. Too much blame was often ascribed to the managers. And some of us kept warning it wasn't really all about the managers afterall.

Funny enough some of the very same people who were the biggest critics of say, Pellars, are the very same people who can't believe management sold Pep short by not giving him the players he could win with.

I fall over laughing anytime I read those type of comments. In essence they believe Pellars ought to have been able to win titles with the very same players they now claim the best manager in the world can't win with.

The cognitive dissonance is mind boggling :)
 
There are so many good comments on this thread, some I even disagree with but like anyway. But I am wary of Daxing this thread. So I have to pace myself :(
 
Damien10 said:
So Messi wouldn't fit the system either? I don't believe Aguero doesn't fit Peps system what i believe is Aguero is sometimes selfish and doesn't pick up his head to spot passes. And surprisingly he's missing very good opportunity this year, he's not being a 'killer' in the box. I think thats the main thing Pep is frustrated about.
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C'mon man, the Messi of today and the Messi of Guardiola's era are two entirely different players, and probably a factor in Barca's decline tbh. People like to re-write history, but let's not forget Messi played off of Ibra then eto'o during their best spell, playing essentially the Sterling role. He worked far harder back then and did press from the front.
 
BillyShears said:
So the only way our star players can shine is with star players around them? Hmmm, I can't say i agree with where you're going with this. I appreciate that those teams have better squad than us, but the conversation is really about those 'moments' that turn seasons. Like 93.20. Those moments aren't really about a team being amazing, they're about big players doing something when it's needed. Like KDB against PSG last season, or against Barcelona this season. For me, Aguero has consistently failed to deliver in those moments since the 13/14. Maybe that's harsh, but then I think the ease with which Jesus benched Kun suggests that Pep is going to be just that harsh.
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No, the only way they're going to win back to back titles and win the Champions League is with a supporting cast good enough to pull us through their bad patches and injuries, which is what Bayern, Madrid and Barca have.
 
aguero93:20 said:
No, the only way they're going to win back to back titles and win the Champions League is with a supporting cast good enough to pull us through their bad patches and injuries, which is what Bayern, Madrid and Barca have.
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We'll see what happens with Aguero, but I'm fairly sure next season he won't be the first choice number 9. I appreciate what you're saying about supporting casts, but respectfully I think that that's kind of obfuscating the point I'm making. Big players turn games and turn up in big moments. Since 13/14 Aguero hasn't done that nearly enough.
 
BillyShears said:
We'll see what happens with Aguero, but I'm fairly sure next season he won't be the first choice number 9. I appreciate what you're saying about supporting casts, but respectfully I think that that's kind of obfuscating the point I'm making. Big players turn games and turn up in big moments. Since 13/14 Aguero hasn't done that nearly enough.
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Do you think Tranny would have won the Champions League last year playing in front of a midfield of Nando + Dinho with a defence of Clichy, Mangala, Otamendi and Sagna?
 
aguero93:20 said:
Do you think Tranny would have won the Champions League last year playing in front of a midfield of Nando + Dinho with a defence of Clichy, Mangala, Otamendi and Sagna?
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No. But then I also didn't think that Aguero would be as shit and disinterested as he was at the Bernabau.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
C'mon man, the Messi of today and the Messi of Guardiola's era are two entirely different players, and probably a factor in Barca's decline tbh. People like to re-write history, but let's not forget Messi played off of Ibra then eto'o during their best spell, playing essentially the Sterling role. He worked far harder back then and did press from the front.
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I believe many other of the Barcelona team are not good enough. Yes Messi is certainly on the decline but still a magical player. He's not the problem at Barcelona, not yet. Barcelona have been on the decline for three years. The club stood still and you can never do that in football. And as the for Zlatan, he was very poor at Barcelona in open play. He scored goals yes, but his play was unbelievably bad at times.Barcelona would often be keeping the ball brilliantly then some nutter would give it to Zlatan who would miss control it or try a first time pass only to fail miserably haha. Pep rightly got rid of him, after this he made Messi the vocal point and that's when Messi really shone. It was one of the best things Pep did.
 
Damien10 said:
I believe many other of the Barcelona team are not good enough. Yes Messi is certainly on the decline but still a magical player. He's not the problem at Barcelona, not yet. Barcelona have been on the decline for three years. The club stood still and you can never do that in football. And as the for Zlatan, he was very poor at Barcelona in open play. He scored goals yes, but his play was unbelievably bad at times.Barcelona would often be keeping the ball brilliantly then some nutter would give it to Zlatan who would miss control it or try a first time pass only to fail miserably haha. Pep rightly got rid of him, after this he made Messi the vocal point and that's when Messi really shone. It was one of the best things Pep did.
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I would argue that right now Kun works harder without the ball than Messi does and Pep wouldn't stand for this version of Messi. Also, Messi was never the focal point. It was Ibra, Eto'o then Henry. Messi played off of them. Entirely different role to the one Kun is playing.
 
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