Alexis Sanchez

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And when all 3 are fit? You don't buy players just because both of forwards get injured. We have Jesus to cover for Aguero or vice versa. You can't go into a season haivng 3 players in one position, that is just stupid. You can't buy a player just because we need a forward for 3 games before our starting forward comes back from injury. You don't spend 100 million on that logic.
We play with 3 forwards every game, which is currently some combination of Sane, Sterling, Aguero & Jesus. Then we'd have one on the bench, meaning we need 4 per game. Over a season we would expect to play around 60 games. That's 240 forward squad slots over a full season. Forwards will rarely have more than 45 appearances in a season so 5 is the minimum you need when you start with 3 as there will always be injuries, loss of form, tiredness and the need for specific players to meet individual tactical requirements.
 
You do know that pep started him 4 THATS 4 TIMES , when he was at barca !

You sure about that? Sanchez played 41 games for Barca in his debut season (Guardiola's last as manager) and scored 15 goals. Despite a season punctuated with injuries, upon further research I see he played in 25 La Liga games, starting 20 of them. He also started 4 CL games, 6 in the Copa del Rey, and the first leg of the Supercopa against Real Madrid. So that's 31 starts, not 4. In short, you're talking utter bollocks.
 
My theory is that the rags have thrown a spoke into the wheel, with a cash + player offer with a higher wage that they know the player they're offering (allegedly Mkhitaryan) won't accept. So there's no danger they'll have to cough up. The agent then goes back to City and demands a similar wage, which we won't agree to. Or maybe there's not even a firm offer at all from the rags and the agent has made it up. The rags are happy enough to play along as it screws us up. However that still doesn't get him a deal other than the one we put on the table & then Plan C sees Chelsea are brought into play to try to wheedle out a deal somewhere.

The agents certainy hasn't played a blinder here from what I can see and they could well end up with egg on their faces.

I have a similar feeling here, PB. There are too many briefings going on. There's a different story playing out behind the scenes and my guess is that City know the player only wants them and know that they can "stick" if the player refuses all other moves. That leaves Arsenal with two choices: accept our offer or keep the player. I've a feeling this one isn't over yet.
 
Sanchez agrees a deal outlined last summer. States strongly we are his choice. January comes around and we may need him due to injury....he being greedy instructs his agent to give united positive signs of a deal be8ng made. Sanchez instigated this so dont fool yorself in thinking united just made an offer...they were given signs from sanchez and his camp

We have a healthy lead at the top of the table, players under Pep who have busted a gut to get us this far already in all competitions. Example - Delph. A player most thought was probably likely to leave has shown his desire and commitment to want to continue playing not only for our club but for the manager

And this greedy twat thinks he can demand the most wage, get his agent a massive pay day, and then waltz into the dressing room and then pick up some medals

Fuck right if Sanchez

And well done our club and making it known by releasing that statement.

Agree entirely has to be the most greedy mercenary little shit ever. Enjoy your second place medals.
 
These forums come with a health warning.

I've read some absolute whoppers on here this past week. To use a football analogy, this forum thread has in large parts parked the bus, shut up shop and retreated into a defensive shell underpinned by a siege mentality discourse. The irony. I'm absolutely convinced that some people post on here with one eye on Rag Cafe and sit looking over their shoulder. Football fandom is tribal. Forums are tribal too. These issues are absolutely tribal. So instead, its retreat into the world of self deception and portray this as something it clearly isn't or frame it in a way which constructs a particular narrative on Bluemoon with the hope if enough people collectively believe it, it will become real and true.

Firstly, we're 12 points clear. Because we have the best manager in football who has improved virtually every player at the club bar one or two including Aguero. That improvement is mutually influenced - players taking on board and trusting his methods/philosophy and his coaching genius providing the platform to improve technically and (bar last Sunday, mentally too). Everyone recognises this. But to use this, Rodney Marsh as some ridiculous nostalgic reference, or any other anecdote as the basis for presenting this Sanchez deal as not being critical is frankly ludicrous, short sighted, naive and riddled in bad faith. And then to throw into the mix - oh he's 29 and Jamie Vardy as alternative framing strategies are even worse.

This signing is more than just one footballer. Sometimes, events in football write their own logic and rules. On Sunday evening, City could have been 18 points clear. By the time we play on Saturday at 5.30pm we may be 9 points clear. A significant difference still nonetheless, but in a week where the Sanchez deal and everything which comes with that change the whole season and galvanise our biggest rival. This signing both refreshes the player and Utd as a football club - and puts pressure on us mentally.

- Why would we be better as a squad without Sanchez? Lets look at the arguments

1. Because we're already 12 points clear without him. Yes, in the present not future tense. Id rather be in our position and this is the best season of football I'll probably ever see in my life, but its far from over. We are yet to see how we respond to our first defeat during a week which also see's a cup semi final 2nd leg and then away FA cup tie. Of course we could win all three games. However, simply to say we've shown we're fine without Sanchez is not a reason for not signing him to have an impact in the future tense. It also ensures Utd are stronger which I believe means less of a margin of error - because the evidence in football is that very few teams go on a run for the whole season like the one we've been on.

- We should walk away from the deal because of the money involved

2. I ask this hypothetically - say KDB and his agent want 370k for his next contract but City offer 350k. KDB's agent informs us that Madrid will offer 400k. So he turns it down. Do we really believe the majority of people on here would simply say - its too much money? Well done to the club for taking a stand, being principled and thinking about squad harmony. I doubt it. I suspect we'd question the ambition of the club because we'd fear losing him. And of course he is younger, and is a key part of our team and one takes into account the value of the player, but the point nonetheless, is its fickle to apply this to one player and not others as the basis for an argument.

- We need to think of KDB's contract and the impact this might have on the team spirit/collective

3. Its as logical to argue that the club could tell KDB - were signing Sanchez and we're paying him the top wage to become top earner because in the short term it ensures we strengthen when in 4 competitions, makes the team stronger, and ensures he doesn't improve our direct rival. Put an arm round him and tell him his next contract will make him top earner if that matters to him and thats what he's worth. Unless the truth here is we genuinely can't afford it - and that we can't compete financially. Maybe that is the truth, I don't know but Id question that because the whole strategy since 2008 has been to grow, aggressively, and become one of the leading European clubs which means being prepared to financially compete with the very top clubs when going toe to toe with them over a player. That isn't the same as signing Walker or Mendy, It is evidenced by offering a stronger or as strong a financial package as a top European club which Utd are.

- He shook his hand on a deal or agreed to join us and so we should walk away because he and his agent have had their heads turned

4. Again, we don't know this for fact but if true, Id simply accept this is part of modern football. If we don't like it, then we shouldn't be complicit in it as fans. Sanchez I suspect probably does have an affinity to Pep, but something has happened here and we should have responded here in a way which makes him want to play for City not because he'd have some affinity for us - he wouldn't, but because we are the best place for him, we value him more than Utd do, and we're prepared to pay him the top money to evidence it.

- He isn't worth the money at 29, and is on the decline

5. I think football is going to sadly itself prove this to be inaccurate.

Regardless of all this, so far this season has been the most astonishing thing I've ever seen supporting City. I've never felt prouder, and I'll be there cheering us on at the weekend. I hope I'm wrong and that this isn't a critical and potential season defining moment even if I think it is. But I think some of this self deception, nostalgic romanticism and hypocritical stuff should stop. And once this thread has closed, we can all move on and evaluate the impact.

But Jamie Vardy? Seriously. Please. Just seriously. Have a serious look at yourself.
I have a lot of sympathy for what you've posted there and I've made the point about how important this transfer is myself earlier in the thread. However, if it is true that Sanchez has agreed a deal with us only to then use United's interest to attempt to extract more money from us then he's a cock and can do one. We obviously believed he was keen to work with Pep and this move was motivated by the desire to win things and to be part of the exciting project that we're building, but turns out he's motivated by money and I don't see him earning considerably more money than our key players as being justifiable or sustainable. So I accept it's disappointing to miss out and that his arrival will make United stronger, I'm not deluding myself, but I still see the logic in the club's decision and support it. We move on and concentrate on bringing players in who want to be here. He's not managed to transform Arsenal into a title winning team and I don't think he'll win the league at United either, so when he retires he can count his money but he won't be counting his title winners medals
 
Slightly disappointed that it looks like we won’t see Sanchez in a city shirt, would have complimented our squad perfectly with his style of play. But completely agree with the stand the club have taken with Sanchez turning his back on deals agreed for joining in January or on a free in the summer, think he will live to regret not joining us.
 
Sanchez agrees a deal outlined last summer. States strongly we are his choice. January comes around and we may need him due to injury....he being greedy instructs his agent to give united positive signs of a deal being made. Sanchez instigated this so dont fool yourself in thinking united just made an offer...they were given signs from sanchez and his camp

We have a healthy lead at the top of the table, players under Pep who have busted a gut to get us this far already in all competitions. Example - Delph. A player most thought was probably likely to leave has shown his desire and commitment to want to continue playing not only for our club but for the manager

And this greedy twat thinks he can demand the most wage, get his agent a massive pay day, and then waltz into the dressing room and then pick up some medals

Fuck right of Sanchez

And well done our club and making it known by releasing that statement.

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We play with 3 forwards every game, which is currently some combination of Sane, Sterling, Aguero & Jesus. Then we'd have one on the bench, meaning we need 4 per game. Over a season we would expect to play around 60 games. That's 240 forward squad slots over a full season. Forwards will rarely have more than 45 appearances in a season so 5 is the minimum you need when you start with 3 as there will always be injuries, loss of form, tiredness and the need for specific players to meet individual tactical requirements.
You are missing Bernardo Silva which would make it 5. Also KDB could fill in a slot if need be. I really wanted Sanchez to come, but my response was to someone who pointed what if Aguero and Jesus both are injured. If we were bringing him in competition for Sane, its well and good, but if it was for Aguero and Jesus, its a different story.
 
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