Am I the only one who can see............

sorry but i disagree with most of what the OP has said

His overall play is average and ive seen him give the ball away numerous times in every match he has played

For a big guy he wint that strong at all and gets easily pushed off the ball

His first touch is average sometimes good, sometimes poor

we will have to adapt our system of play to fit around him as he cannt play as a loan striker as he has neither the pace/tenacity/strength/ or the skill to beat a man (as shown by his couple of one on ones with chelski this weekend (and luiz is neither big strong or that quick when compared to other centre halves around the premiership

Id rather develop a system around tevez for the next few years that around dzeko as we already know that tevez will score 20+ goals a season. We have tried to shoe horn dzeko into a system that doesnt suit him (not his fault) and that has slowed our play down even more and has resulted in tevez being asked to play deeper making him less effective.

none is this is the fault of dzeko's...its mancini's fault...he has bought the wrong player and maybe he presumed he could turn him into something he isnt...either that or he has to change the way we aply....and that shouldnt happen till next season
 
Gentlemen, great (and true) thread, and I agree with majority opinions so far...

However I do not agree that the wing play and crosses are the KEY problem preventing us from seeing the best of Dzeko. We are overrating wing play a bit while overseeing some other issues... like creative midfield play IN GENERAL.

I've follewed the kid through his career and we do not need to completely overhaul the style of play to accomodate him.

We need another Silva next year.

Not only for Dzeko, but for all of our forwards (how can some people not see that all our forward are struggling lately, BIG TIME??).

What I'm seeing is that our forwards live off Silva (including Dzeko).
So - you think Ancelotti didn't see that??

Point in case - teams now play to shut down Silva, knowing that without him our attack is cut off. De Jong/Barry are not your stars on offense. Yaya - well, I'll just say Mancini should stick with him as CDM, and stop experimenting.

No - we do not need these incredible wingers for Edin to start scoring...we need another creative attacking midfilder. Period.

I believe Mancini is planning exactly that for next year.
 
Dzeko will never be prolific in the current system. FFS, why play a lone striker like Dzeko when we're not crossing balls into the box. He doesn't fit into a counter-attack style of play.
 
Out of our last 10 goals, how many were scored by forwards, and how many in a developed attack???

Case in point.

Our link-up in midfield reeks big time...all three forwards are struggling as a result.

We are easy to shut down - just press Silva and put two bodies on him...Dzeko, Tevez, Balotelli, Ronaldo - will not see enough usefull service.
 
I would buy the argument that Dzeko is crap and can't do anything in Premier League if other strikers in this system were scoring...but they're not! not even Tevez is able to score over the last few games even when Dzeko is not playing. That points to the midfield and lack of creativity.

Football is a team game and without chemistry and rhythm even the best players will struggle.

I feel sorry for Dzeko because judging by his body language he seems to have lost his confidence. This could really ruin his career.
 
If it's the midfield that's the problem then change the midfield.

Barry and toure dropped. De Jong holding Milner attacking with silva and Johnson out wide and Dzeko and Tevez up front especially at home where we are far too cautious!
 
Lordeffingham said:
that Dzeko is going to be one of the best forwards we have had for many years, certainly as good as Quinny, and with a fair chance of becoming a great?

Things to remember: he was nowhere near match fit when he arrived, has had to adapt not only to the Premier league, but to a team with a greedy bastard up front, as well as an extremely overated selfish Italian enigma, who is so hit and miss I'm not sure if we shouldn't fuck him of right now. A team of pretty average players going forward with the exception of our best player for forty years, Silva, and potentially Tevez, but with a squad who have been swapped and changed so regularly I'll bet he's never played with 7 of the same players more than once.

He can and does win his fair share against oposing centre halves, is pretty slick on the deck, shields the ball well, and seldomely gives the ball away. I know he's still not as sharp as he needs to be but is improving in every one of his one in every three starts. he has been in need of some real support and has thus far received neither this nor any decent service. He will start scoring regularly soon and is so much better than a whole host of strikers who have been given years, not months to make their name here. Christ he has hardly been here 3 months and the shite that I see and hear on Bluemoon makes me piss.

Tevez works, runs, tries, scores and is the type of player we need, but by becoming so over reliant on Tevez it seems people think he is the way forward and is the future, well you need to share the goals and have a ballanced attack to become a great team, and I'm afraid unless Tevez can revert to the player he was in his first season here, we are always going to remain as reliant on him as we have been far too regularly this season, and one striker doing all the scoring will never be good enough to carry a team to the title. I can't understand or explain why he has become so selfish, but other than very rarely passing to Silva, he invariably once recieving a ball will just run himself into the ground and often waste a chance rather than pass to an often better placed team mate.

Some on here actually blamed Dzeko for our recent run of form, suggesting we are trying to play for and around Dzeko, well I've not seen anything which suggests this, but I'd be much happier trying to find a regular strike partner for him than settling for a future based solely on Tevez as our attack.

We got beat by a slightly better team on the day at Chelsea, but it wasn't a bad performance and I don't understand why Dzeko is getting any shit at all, I thought he had a fair game and did some good work, some fans on here are getting too caught up in looking for a scapegoat every time we don't win.
Today, other than the same player who was undoubtedly to blame for our European exit on Thursday showing his face for ten minutes before doing absolutely zilch, there wasn't anyone else who didn't do their best, it was a very tough time and place to play today and we gave a reasonable account of ourselves without Tevez, so stop bleating and give some credit where it's due.
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I think he's a quality player, but we aren't going to see the best of him until we get some width and crosses into our game. Kolarov is the only one who can provide that at the moment. Maybe AJ, but AJ tends to cut in all the time. I don't think we will see the best of Dzeko until the next season.
 
EaglesFan said:
Gentlemen, great (and true) thread, and I agree with majority opinions so far...

However I do not agree that the wing play and crosses are the KEY problem preventing us from seeing the best of Dzeko. We are overrating wing play a bit while overseeing some other issues... like creative midfield play IN GENERAL.

I've follewed the kid through his career and we do not need to completely overhaul the style of play to accomodate him.

We need another Silva next year.

Not only for Dzeko, but for all of our forwards (how can some people not see that all our forward are struggling lately, BIG TIME??).

What I'm seeing is that our forwards live off Silva (including Dzeko).
So - you think Ancelotti didn't see that??

Point in case - teams now play to shut down Silva, knowing that without him our attack is cut off. De Jong/Barry are not your stars on offense. Yaya - well, I'll just say Mancini should stick with him as CDM, and stop experimenting.

No - we do not need these incredible wingers for Edin to start scoring...we need another creative attacking midfilder. Period.

I believe Mancini is planning exactly that for next year.
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It's not so much wingers, though they can add to the supply we're lacking, but if as I said, the wingers are bought and then blunted by our notoriously slow, almost pedestrian build up play, they will in turn be neither use nor ornament.

Even with our current flank play utilising Richards and Kolorov, a speedy break, with early forward momentum and diagonal forward balls for Dzeko, Silva and Tevez to chase onto, would give us a real threat without being detremental in any way to our defensive shape.

It really doesn't seem like rocket science and nearly every pundit and wannabe manager can easily identify it's a massive lack of pace and a cumbersome lethargic amble from back to front, whilst the opposition re-assembles it's reargaurd which is the obvious problem and is seriously stifleing our forward play.
 
Lordeffingham said:
EaglesFan said:
Gentlemen, great (and true) thread, and I agree with majority opinions so far...

However I do not agree that the wing play and crosses are the KEY problem preventing us from seeing the best of Dzeko. We are overrating wing play a bit while overseeing some other issues... like creative midfield play IN GENERAL.

I've follewed the kid through his career and we do not need to completely overhaul the style of play to accomodate him.

We need another Silva next year.

Not only for Dzeko, but for all of our forwards (how can some people not see that all our forward are struggling lately, BIG TIME??).

What I'm seeing is that our forwards live off Silva (including Dzeko).
So - you think Ancelotti didn't see that??

Point in case - teams now play to shut down Silva, knowing that without him our attack is cut off. De Jong/Barry are not your stars on offense. Yaya - well, I'll just say Mancini should stick with him as CDM, and stop experimenting.

No - we do not need these incredible wingers for Edin to start scoring...we need another creative attacking midfilder. Period.

I believe Mancini is planning exactly that for next year.
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It's not so much wingers, though they can add to the supply we're lacking, but if as I said, the wingers are bought and then blunted by our notoriously slow, almost pedestrian build up play, they will in turn be neither use nor ornament.

Even with our current flank play utilising Richards and Kolorov, a speedy break, with early forward momentum and diagonal forward balls for Dzeko, Silva and Tevez to chase onto, would give us a real threat without being detremental in any way to our defensive shape.

It really doesn't seem like rocket science and nearly every pundit and wannabe manager can easily identify it's a massive lack of pace and a cumbersome lethargic amble from back to front, whilst the opposition re-assembles it's reargaurd which is the obvious problem and is seriously stifleing our forward play.
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City don't play a direct game. We build the play up from the back. Nothing wrong with that. I don't think you can describe the play between Silva Tevez, AJ etc as typically lethargic. Maybe we have become a bit slow and predictable in recent weeks, but I'd argue that's down to missing players, and tiredness rather than a fundamental problem. it cant be fundamental if we got to 3rd can it?

Essentially I agree form has dipped but we don't have to change anything about a style of play, just move the ball a little quicker, and make better decisions. We will have to change the style of play for Dzeko though. He needs a Bentley, or Ashley Young type service. Or Milner if we can get him fit
 
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