America Bombs Venezuela

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Really? Because it doesn't seem like they would. Care to elaborate?

You’re the one making all the claims and predictions based on nothing but HE’S supposed to elaborate?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Just to make it clear, do you agree with the World Police removing a sitting president and deciding that the natural resources of that presidents country should be taken out of the ground for his own countries benefit.

Or not?

As I wrote to a friend this am: “America’s moral authority under Trump has collapsed, if there was any to start with. We aren’t the world’s policeman — we’re the dirty cop looking for a bribe and robbing the citizenry now and again.”

 

[Kinkybyname]

I've not been this turned on since Neptune Spear

 

[moomba]

SOUTH America First, apparently.

Never mind U.S. infrastructure, eh?

Sickening. State of the world right now. Fuck right off, the lot of these cunts. Despicable.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

Financially, Britain cannot be a geopolitical super-power without its now gone empire.

Had we kept Hong Kong, it would have bankrupted us trying to keep up with the defense spend needed to keep China at bay.

Plus, we don't have the oil/gas, farmland, minerals and precious metals to fall back onto either to be at least somewhat self sustainable to some degree. Russia and the US do. If Britain was to have sanctions put on it we would be utterly screwed.

Britain needs to focus on trying to be a beacon of education and business/finance sector, a Singapore of some sort whilst having a military on standby if needed in the same way Norway has.

We are chicken feed on the world stage nowadays. If you took London's economy away from the UK, it would be poorer in GDP terms than the poorest state in the US, Mississippi.

I am not particularly for it but I do think by 2050 we will have a Federalist Europe with Britain part of it.

A federalist Europe which itself is almost bankrupt? Europe's relevance is decreasing and not increasing.

Nothing sums this up more than had we remained in the EU where life in the UK today would barely be any different. The EU project exists for the EU whereas the member state economies (including ourselves) that it represents are failing and have been falling on their arses ever since the 2008 crash.

There is no benefit whatsoever to participating in EU-global dick measuring which is sort of what the EU has attempted to do recently despite it being a match that it has no capability to win. Look at Ukraine and the coalition of the willing chaired by Starmer, so sidelined and irrelevant that they just don't speak about it anymore.

The UK is chicken feed on the world stage but Europe is even less without France or Germany. At least I guess the US is protective and is fighting for its survival against Chinese dominance whereas Europe will have surrendered its entire economy to China before the decade is finished. As much as we may hate it if we talk about survival alone then it makes far more sense to become the 51st US state.

 

[moomba]

As I wrote to a friend this am: “America’s moral authority under Trump has collapsed, if there was any to start with. We aren’t the world’s policeman — we’re the dirty cop looking for a bribe and robbing the citizenry now and again.”

I grew up thinking it's ok, the US will protect us.

They're worse than any enemy I was told I should fear.

 

[Cigs&Alc]

You’ve made a load of unsubstantiated comments so I’m sticking with the spirit of this discussion.

"Unsubstantiated"

90% of the country lives in poverty and about 2/3 live in extreme poverty. They hear explosions and they find out their leader has been captured. Parts of the city are without power.

Of course they will stock up on supplies. There are starving as is and they haven't fully grasped what has happened. That does not mean they don't approve of the actions. They have been wanting a change of regime for a long time.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I grew up thinking it's ok, the US will protect us.

They're worse than any enemy I was told I should fear.

I am still a believer that some of this can be reversed by a new administration. But the longer this goes on, and the deeper the rot, the less optimistic I am. Once again — the GOP members of Congress could stop all of this — you don’t even need every one of them. Their cowardice — multiple times before this 2nd term started, with an avalanche of evidence and crystal clear grounds for impeachment — is one of the greatest political betrayals in American history.

 

[west didsblue]

"Unsubstantiated"

90% of the country lives in poverty and about 2/3 live in extreme poverty. They hear explosions and they find out their leader has been captured. Parts of the city are without power.

Of course they will stock up on supplies. There are starving as is and they haven't fully grasped what has happened. That does not mean they don't approve of the actions. They have been wanting a change of regime for a long time.

Yes, unsubstantiated.

You’ve made a load of assumptions which you are quoting as facts.

 

[Cigs&Alc]

Yes, unsubstantiated.

You’ve made a load of assumptions which you are quoting as facts.

Enlighten me. What are those assumptions?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

"Unsubstantiated"

90% of the country lives in poverty and about 2/3 live in extreme poverty. They hear explosions and they find out their leader has been captured. Parts of the city are without power.

Of course they will stock up on supplies. There are starving as is and they haven't fully grasped what has happened. That does not mean they don't approve of the actions. They have been wanting a change of regime for a long time.

You have one — ONE — sentence with a fact. Everything else is speculation.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[Cigs&Alc]

You have one — ONE — sentence with a fact. Everything else is speculation.

Well to start with I said "probably" still have little idea but ok.

How is it only one sentence? Let's go back over what I have written.

90% of the country lives in poverty and about 2/3 live in extreme poverty (FACT) . They hear explosions and they find out their leader has been captured (FACT). Parts of the city are without power (FACT).

Of course they will stock up on supplies (Which they are doing so FACT). There are starving as is (FACT) and they haven't fully grasped what has happened (SPECULATION). That does not mean they don't approve of the actions (FACT) . They have been wanting a change of regime for a long time (FACT) .

 

[NPBlue]

A federalist Europe which itself is almost bankrupt? Europe's relevance is decreasing and not increasing.

Nothing sums this up more than had we remained in the EU where life in the UK today would barely be any different. The EU project exists for the EU whereas the member state economies (including ourselves) that it represents are failing and have been falling on their arses ever since the 2008 crash.

There is no benefit whatsoever to participating in EU-global dick measuring which is sort of what the EU has attempted to do recently despite it being a match that it has no capability to win. Look at Ukraine and the coalition of the willing chaired by Starmer, so sidelined and irrelevant that they just don't speak about it anymore.

The UK is chicken feed on the world stage but Europe is even less without France or Germany. At least I guess the US is protective and is fighting for its survival against Chinese dominance whereas Europe will have surrendered its entire economy to China before the decade is finished. As much as we may hate it if we talk about survival alone then it makes far more sense to become the 51st US state.

The UK should become the 51st state?

I can't think of anything more unappealing.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Well to start with I said "probably" still have little idea but ok.

How is it only one sentence? Let's go back over what I have written.

90% of the country lives in poverty and about 2/3 live in extreme poverty (FACT) . They hear explosions and they find out their leader has been captured (FACT). Parts of the city are without power (FACT).

Of course they will stock up on supplies (Which they are doing so FACT). There are starving as is (FACT) and they haven't fully grasped what has happened (SPECULATION). That does not mean they don't approve of the actions (FACT) . They have been wanting a change of regime for a long time (FACT) .

Are you Dax?

 

[We've got Guardiola]

The UK should become the 51st state?

I can't think of anything more unappealing.

If we were talking of joining up with alliances versus Europe in terms of economics, military or security then it just seems very sensible to join the US. They are the most powerful military in the world and they'll always be one of the largest economies.

I mean rightly or wrongly if you consider what the US has done yesterday they have secured an endless oil supply. Where is Europe? It's totally reliant on foreign imports which can end in a heartbeat. Europe was almost destroyed economically by the loss of Russian gas. The only saving grace is Norway who like everybody else just sells to the highest bidder.

Europe will soon be destroyed by China economically. It has already happened in the UK beyond services. Our car industry is already flailing whilst Chinese state backed loss making manufacturers are freely walking in to wipe out the competition and replace home companies.

This would never be allowed to happen in the US.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I am still a believer that some of this can be reversed by a new administration. But the longer this goes on, and the deeper the rot, the less optimistic I am. Once again — the GOP members of Congress could stop all of this — you don’t even need every one of them. Their cowardice — multiple times before this 2nd term started, with an avalanche of evidence and crystal clear grounds for impeachment — is one of the greatest political betrayals in American history.

Your 'Dirty cop' analogy in your previous post is pretty much spot on, but I think your assertion that some of this can be reversed by a new administration is somewhat optimistic. I'd personally liken it to trying to stop a fully laden supertanker from full speed 6 miles out of port and rapidly running out of space. You'll be lucky to stop it at all at this point, let alone turn it round. At some point in the near future we're all going to have to brace for impact.

 

[idahoblues]

The UK should become the 51st state?

I can't think of anything more unappealing.

Me neither, all those Chavs! You can keep them

 

[WT86]

I don't think there are any contradictions in saying that Maduro is a bad guy who got what he had coming, that many Venezuelans are probably happy to be rid of him, and that it's a terrible idea for the US to depose foreign strongmen on whatever pretext without an obvious strategy for what comes next. We've seen this movie many, many times and it's usually more like Afghanistan than Japan.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Well to start with I said "probably" still have little idea but ok.

How is it only one sentence? Let's go back over what I have written.

90% of the country lives in poverty and about 2/3 live in extreme poverty (FACT) . They hear explosions and they find out their leader has been captured (FACT). Parts of the city are without power (FACT).

Of course they will stock up on supplies (Which they are doing so FACT). There are starving as is (FACT) and they haven't fully grasped what has happened (SPECULATION). That does not mean they don't approve of the actions (FACT) . They have been wanting a change of regime for a long time (FACT) .

Have you ever looked at a globe?

Venezuela is 350k square miles. Less than 20% of the population lives in the Caracas MSA. What do you suppose was the total percentage of people in Venezuela was who heard the explosions? What percent are without power? What precise percentage know what has happened? What percentage of THOSE are starving? How do they feel? You don’t know ANY of these answers. None.

You are referring to a tiny tiny tiny tiny percentage of the populace but saying “they” and expanding your conclusions to the entire population.

You don’t know dick about what the average Venezuelan thinks. I’m doubtful you could find Venezuela on a map. You’re SPECULATING. Period, end of.