America Bombs Venezuela

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I know this sounds a little crazy, but maybe everyone should just respect the sovereignty of other countries and stop just thinking they are entitled to take what they want?

By all means try and negotiate a deal, and be prepared to be told to piss off, but don't come smashing through the gates with a big stick demanding control of everything.
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You mean some kind of rules-based international law. You might be on to something there - perhaps overseen by an organisation where all countries can sit together to discuss and resolve their problems. And to keep Trump onside, we'll allow it to be headquartered in New York. Just need a name.... 'League of Nations'?
 
Gremlin said:
You mean some kind of rules-based international law. You might be on to something there - perhaps overseen by an organisation where all countries can sit together to discuss and resolve their problems. And to keep Trump onside, we'll allow it to be headquartered in New York. Just need a name.... 'League of Nations'?
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Or to appease the septic's, we could simply call it the 'United' Nations?
 
Tb1981 said:
Quite funny watching Iran, China and Russia criticise America.
They can all fuck off
Russia invaded Ukraine and Venezuela, China and Iran have all looked to profit
Trump may be a dick, but I would rather a strong America that doesn’t give a fuck what China and Russia think.
To me it looks like they may be a bit worried now
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The problem with that attitude is where would you declare a red line ?
If a strong North America ran every central and southern American country ?
If a strong N.A. ran Greenland ?
What about Europe? He has already verbally attacked Khan, a democratically elected leader of London.
He is openly courting the European right wing to destroy the E.U.
So, as I say where's your red line.
 
Tb1981 said:
Quite funny watching Iran, China and Russia criticise America.
They can all fuck off
Russia invaded Ukraine and Venezuela, China and Iran have all looked to profit
Trump may be a dick, but I would rather a strong America that doesn’t give a fuck what China and Russia think.
To me it looks like they may be a bit worried now
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The flaw in your plan is that Trump is compromised by and/or beholden to Russia, and so he absolutely gives a fuck what they think; much more so than his gives a fuck what Europe thinks.
 
Blue Mist said:
The problem with that attitude is where would you declare a red line ?
If a strong North America ran every central and southern American country ?
If a strong N.A. ran Greenland ?
What about Europe? He has already verbally attacked Khan, a democratically elected leader of London.
He is openly courting the European right wing to destroy the E.U.
So, as I say where's your red line.
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It doesn’t matter where my red line is
I could say Russia invading Ukraine, but it wouldn’t mean anything
I could say Maduro stealing the election
I could say North Korea constantly testing missiles
I could say Iran

Let’s face it, without America we (Europe) are not particularly threatening

The man is a bit of a dick without doubt and says some crazy things.
Bit if Biden or Obama did that to Maduro I’m pretty sure most people would have the opposite opinion

Unfortunately the world is a bit fucked up right now
 
Whatever Maduro has done or has not done, traipsing him around in shackles for the cameras is nothing short of a grotesque spectacle. PoWs have more rights.

The fact that Trump has now set himself up as some sort of international judge, jury and hangman is a frightening precedent made so much worse by the fact that the de facto International Criminal Court not only exists but the US does not recognise it. If they did Trump might have handed Maduro over to them, not that there is a warrant outstanding on Maduro, despite an ICC investigation.

On the other hand, there is an international warrant out on Netanyahu for crimes against humanity and whom, instead of being arrested, is feted by Trump on his frequent visits to the White House.

Truly these are dangerous times.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The flaw in your plan is that Trump is compromised by and/or beholden to Russia, and so he absolutely gives a fuck what they think; much more so than his gives a fuck what Europe thinks.
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I don’t actually think trump is arsed about Russia
That’s why he has done what he has to Iran and Venezuela

The problem is the only way of ending the Ukraine war is to try and give Putin a way out.
With the best will in the world arming them won’t get them their territory back.
 
Blue and true said:
In fairness, it's not the EU's job to stop despots being despots. Nor is it NATO's. Putin's invasion, regionally, was unprecedented in its gravity; so that's different and we have supplied Ukraine with support to stop Putin being a despot. Otherwise, NATO exists as a defensive alliance. It exists as a deterrent, and post-WWII it has worked commendably. Trump is now actively trying to destabilise that.

Anyway, my main point was that our relationship with our European partners has soured, through our own doing. The precariousness of this is now heightened because of what's happening in the US.
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Well if its not the EU as in European countries as a block plus the others or Nato then how are we in a precarious position? As no one seems to be responsible at all.

Anyhow the effect of brexit on Venezuela Ukraine Gaza is zip, nada and most definitely fuck all.

As you were.
 
BTH said:
Whatever Maduro has done or has not done, traipsing him around in shackles for the cameras is nothing short of a grotesque spectacle. PoWs have more rights.

The fact that Trump has now set himself up as some sort of international judge, jury and hangman is a frightening precedent made so much worse by the fact that the de facto International Criminal Court not only exists but the US does not recognise it. If they did Trump might have handed Maduro over to them, not that there is a warrant outstanding on Maduro, despite an ICC investigation.

On the other hand, there is an international warrant out on Netanyahu for crimes against humanity and whom, instead of being arrested, is feted by Trump on his frequent visits to the White House.

Truly these are dangerous times.
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Maduro's lawyers should point out that under the Venezuelan constitution, the President can't be impeached.
 
blueish swede said:
Maduro's lawyers should point out that under the Venezuelan constitution, the President can't be impeached.
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And Trumps lackeys, sorry prosecutors will produce some evidence (cough) to show Maduro fixed the election, no matter if true or not. Therefore he is not legitimately entitled to immunity.

If however he, Maduro, runs a defence of 'here's a million dollars Trump junior' then he will get off the charges.
 
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