Americans (U.S.A.) ...

'but I've yet to see anyone try to use any pass completion % data or any other data set to try to see where the team is actually failing. Or, in the absence of stats, there's a true dearth of people really talking about formations and tactics, pretty much every thread follows the same guideline, initial post, someone mentions hughes, someone mentions mancini, someone mentions mourinho, everyone makes fun of MUFC, someone claims to be ITK, everyone harps on that person. There's a slight variation of this where if you say something negative you're accosted for not loving City enough, and the thread moves into yet another discussion about whether love for team should overcome ability to criticize it.'

Ha ha ha, Teddy, that is class! ;)
 
leighton said:
Basketball on the other hand is a non contact sport which suits them to the ground.

That is absolutely ridiculous. Just patently absurd. Jump up in the air above a wood floor making sure to clear at least 42 inches and at the top of your jump have a 7 foot 310 pound man knock you to the ground as hard as he can, taking almost all of the brunt of the fall on your side and or back and come back and tell me how basketball is a non contact sport. That is just one of the most ridiculous and ignorant statements I've ever read on these forums, and that 's saying something.

Sorry to jump so hard on you, but there are aspects of football I don't fully understand yet even after years of watching, so I keep statements about those aspects to questions as opposed to all encompassing statements of fact. I suggest in the future you do the same.
 
DalbeyINUK said:
leighton said:
Basketball on the other hand is a non contact sport which suits them to the ground.

That is absolutely ridiculous. Just patently absurd. Jump up in the air above a wood floor making sure to clear at least 42 inches and at the top of your jump have a 7 foot 310 pound man knock you to the ground as hard as he can, taking almost all of the brunt of the fall on your side and or back and come back and tell me how basketball is a non contact sport. That is just one of the most ridiculous and ignorant statements I've ever read on these forums, and that 's saying something.

Sorry to jump so hard on you, but there are aspects of football I don't fully understand yet even after years of watching, so I keep statements about those aspects to questions as opposed to all encompassing statements of fact. I suggest in the future you do the same.

Sorry but this is THE most ignorant comment I have ever seen on here.
Basketball IS a non contact sport so get your facts straight son. Jump in the air and have anyone touch you and it's a foul, therefore it IS a non contact sport. Sorry to jump on you so hard but I suggest you fuck off and watch the most boring game on the planet (outside of baseball obviously)and leave this board alone ! You ridiculous ignorant ****. By the way how many years have you been watching football for you not to understand all the aspects of it ?????
 
DalbeyINUK said:
leighton said:
Basketball on the other hand is a non contact sport which suits them to the ground.

That is absolutely ridiculous. Just patently absurd. Jump up in the air above a wood floor making sure to clear at least 42 inches and at the top of your jump have a 7 foot 310 pound man knock you to the ground as hard as he can, taking almost all of the brunt of the fall on your side and or back and come back and tell me how basketball is a non contact sport. That is just one of the most ridiculous and ignorant statements I've ever read on these forums, and that 's saying something.

Sorry to jump so hard on you, but there are aspects of football I don't fully understand yet even after years of watching, so I keep statements about those aspects to questions as opposed to all encompassing statements of fact. I suggest in the future you do the same.

An old Scottish woman might trip over you playing curling, doesn't make it a contact sport
 
IMHO, I think my fellow Americans tend to ignore "soccer" because they can't imagine a future in it. For instance, when you play baseball, football, basketball or hockey as a youth, you always imagine being good enough to play professionally and make big money like your favorite player. When you play soccer, it is never presented as a future career option because it is well known that you don't make shit in the MLS. As more Americans make it to the EPL, Serie A, La Liga, etc., you may see more interest but, thats the catch. You won't see more interest until you see more American stars and you won't see more American stars because there isn't much interest.

it is what it is
 
teddykgb said:
The absurdity of this thread actually got me to register, as an American it's sort of hard not to laugh at the ridiculous generalizations some of you are making. You all act like we Americans are some separate breed of human, but let me tell you, our heads don't explode when a match ends in a 0-0 finish.

All in all, this is very easy. The sports isn't as big here because we haven't had a high level of play league here, which makes the most interesting variety of this sport still European. Many people in the US support and follow European teams, which makes sense in two ways. First, the most talent is in europe, and when you include champions league football you've got a very compelling and entertaining product. It would be silly not to follow it because it's European. Secondly, all of our best players play in Europe at this point, so if you got into this sport via the World Cup that was here or some variation of our National Team, you're going to follow the teams those players play on, which sadly led many Americans to examine Fulham but that's beside the point.

It is true that the sport is surging here, but mostly at the youth level. Every young kid in America plays football with their feet at some point in their youth it seems. It's a more forgiving sport than baseball for the uncoordinated and it's cheap and outdoors, so it's got a mass appeal to parents. Time will tell if that translates to something as far removed as our National team, and I'd guess that it won't because overall, our best athletes are playing other sports, and for more than the foreseeable future they will continue to make that choice because there will be a lot more money in basketball, baseball, or american football for these athletes than there will be in the MLS. It'll probably take 3 or 4 dozen american youth trailblazers getting hyped and bought at a young age, sort of like the Adu saga, but the players probably need to work out better than Adu before anyone would seriously consider it.

Finally, as an American, some criticisms of how all of you follow sport. It's been one hell of a ride following the lot of you on this forum this season. Maybe there's another forum that has more of an analytical bend, but it's very surprising to me as a follower of many American sports how little thought goes into the arguments presented here. Maybe it's the nature of the sport in that it carries few statistics, but on any forum for the Boston Red Sox, as an example, people are just as passionate as you folks are, but when arguing about the team you always bring detail and data to the table. As an example, as a City fan I agree with the consensus that right now the midfield is not performing and it's causing serious issues, which is an improvement on the leakage the defense had earlier this season, but I've yet to see anyone try to use any pass completion % data or any other data set to try to see where the team is actually failing. Or, in the absence of stats, there's a true dearth of people really talking about formations and tactics, pretty much every thread follows the same guideline, initial post, someone mentions hughes, someone mentions mancini, someone mentions mourinho, everyone makes fun of MUFC, someone claims to be ITK, everyone harps on that person. There's a slight variation of this where if you say something negative you're accosted for not loving City enough, and the thread moves into yet another discussion about whether love for team should overcome ability to criticize it. I don't necessarily expect this last part to be particularly well received, but if we're going to talk about a society's approach to sport, I'd say that as an American, it's surprising to me how much of the approach of this team's supporters, at least, seems to be more about the soap opera than the sport itself.

Roque Santa Cruz is sh*t 99.9% of the time ;)<br /><br />-- Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:21 am --<br /><br />American made sports?

American Football is just a padded up version of Rugby. Rugby has been round longer

1823 Rugby 1892 American Football

And Baseball was adapted from the english game of Rounders

Americans played a version of the English game rounders in the early 1800s which they called "Town Ball." In fact, early forms of baseball had a number of names, including "Base Ball," "Goal Ball," "Round Ball," "Fletch-catch," "stool ball," and, simply, "Base."
 
The other reason that soccer hasn't taken off is because Vegas has little to no interest. Football is wildly popular in America in large part because of fantasy sports and betting. American football is relatively boring if you ate not personally invested.
 
Toronto blue said:
DalbeyINUK said:
That is absolutely ridiculous. Just patently absurd. Jump up in the air above a wood floor making sure to clear at least 42 inches and at the top of your jump have a 7 foot 310 pound man knock you to the ground as hard as he can, taking almost all of the brunt of the fall on your side and or back and come back and tell me how basketball is a non contact sport. That is just one of the most ridiculous and ignorant statements I've ever read on these forums, and that 's saying something.

Sorry to jump so hard on you, but there are aspects of football I don't fully understand yet even after years of watching, so I keep statements about those aspects to questions as opposed to all encompassing statements of fact. I suggest in the future you do the same.

Sorry but this is THE most ignorant comment I have ever seen on here.
Basketball IS a non contact sport so get your facts straight son. Jump in the air and have anyone touch you and it's a foul, therefore it IS a non contact sport. Sorry to jump on you so hard but I suggest you fuck off and watch the most boring game on the planet (outside of baseball obviously)and leave this board alone ! You ridiculous ignorant ****. By the way how many years have you been watching football for you not to understand all the aspects of it ?????

Basketball is definitely a contact sport. In fact, it's almost constant contact. I think football has more violent contact involved - but basketball is a bruising, bloody battle that requires incredible strength and grit.

Why on earth would you tell another City fan to fuck off because he has a different opinion about this?
 
AustinBlue said:
Toronto blue said:
Sorry but this is THE most ignorant comment I have ever seen on here.
Basketball IS a non contact sport so get your facts straight son. Jump in the air and have anyone touch you and it's a foul, therefore it IS a non contact sport. Sorry to jump on you so hard but I suggest you fuck off and watch the most boring game on the planet (outside of baseball obviously)and leave this board alone ! You ridiculous ignorant ****. By the way how many years have you been watching football for you not to understand all the aspects of it ?????

Basketball is definitely a contact sport. In fact, it's almost constant contact. I think football has more violent contact involved - but basketball is a bruising, bloody battle that requires incredible strength and grit.

Why on earth would you tell another City fan to fuck off because he has a different opinion about this?

Tbf, I think he meant that it isn't a contact sport to the same extremes of football and rugby, maybe put accross in the wrong way though. Personally I cannot watch 5 minutes of American Football or Baseball, give me a dull midwinter 0-0 between Stoke and Blackburn anyday.
 
I've lived here in the USA for 22 years and in my opinion US tv companies hate footy because they cannot show the match around a bunch of advertisements like they do with American sports like baseball, the NFL, ice hockey and basketball.
With our footy the only chance they get to show ads is at half time, when you can just get off your arse and do something else for 15 minutes instead of watching.
With American sports you actually see more ads than you do sports and you have no way of knowing when the ads are coming up.
But ads are what their bread and butter is and is fucking massive revenue here in the US of A
Therefore the sports media refuse to promote footy and actually slag it off, the general public just repeats what it hears from so-called sports "experts"
Like "It's boring, not enough action" etc, etc....
It does my head in.
Of course if a baseball game takes 9 hours and is low scoring, it's classic "awesome pitching" Won't cut footy any slack though.
I basically refuse to watch American sports now.
I go and watch the Galaxy on a regular basis.
The standard of footy is a bit rubbish, but footy is what I like.
 
Hollywood Blue said:
I've lived here in the USA for 22 years and in my opinion US tv companies hate footy because they cannot show the match around a bunch of advertisements like they do with American sports like baseball, the NFL, ice hockey and basketball.
With our footy the only chance they get to show ads is at half time, when you can just get off your arse and do something else for 15 minutes instead of watching.
With American sports you actually see more ads than you do sports and you have no way of knowing when the ads are coming up.
Therefore the sports media refuse to promote footy and actually slag it off, the general public just repeats what it hears from so-called sports "experts"
Like "It's boring, not enough action" etc, etc....
It does my head in.
Of course if a baseball game takes 9 hours and is low scoring, it's classic "awesome pitching" Won't cut footy any slack though.
I basically refuse to watch American sports now.
I go and watch the Galaxy on a regular basis.
The standard of footy is a bit rubbish, but footy is what I like.

Bet the qualities lower since David 'I want everything to revolve around me' Beckham, has been there.
 
I lived in Italy and moved to USA, Seattle when I was 14. I am a die hard inter Milan and a new man city fan. It bothers that the Americans insult soccer/football when it's such a world wide sport. But the educated Americans know that you have to respect all sports.

P.S go sounders :)
 
Manchester_City_Blue said:
Hollywood Blue said:
I've lived here in the USA for 22 years and in my opinion US tv companies hate footy because they cannot show the match around a bunch of advertisements like they do with American sports like baseball, the NFL, ice hockey and basketball.
With our footy the only chance they get to show ads is at half time, when you can just get off your arse and do something else for 15 minutes instead of watching.
With American sports you actually see more ads than you do sports and you have no way of knowing when the ads are coming up.
Therefore the sports media refuse to promote footy and actually slag it off, the general public just repeats what it hears from so-called sports "experts"
Like "It's boring, not enough action" etc, etc....
It does my head in.
Of course if a baseball game takes 9 hours and is low scoring, it's classic "awesome pitching" Won't cut footy any slack though.
I basically refuse to watch American sports now.
I go and watch the Galaxy on a regular basis.
The standard of footy is a bit rubbish, but footy is what I like.

Bet the qualities lower since David 'I want everything to revolve around me' Beckham, has been there.

Funny you should say that, but no.
Apart from him and Donovan, they don't really have much else.
I'll certainly give Beckham credit for boosting the fit birds stakes in the crowd as well.
Obviously Beckham would be a backward step for any Prem team to sign him up as he's a bit of a one trick pony and past it, but in the MLS, he looks class.
 
Toronto blue said:
DalbeyINUK said:
That is absolutely ridiculous. Just patently absurd. Jump up in the air above a wood floor making sure to clear at least 42 inches and at the top of your jump have a 7 foot 310 pound man knock you to the ground as hard as he can, taking almost all of the brunt of the fall on your side and or back and come back and tell me how basketball is a non contact sport. That is just one of the most ridiculous and ignorant statements I've ever read on these forums, and that 's saying something.

Sorry to jump so hard on you, but there are aspects of football I don't fully understand yet even after years of watching, so I keep statements about those aspects to questions as opposed to all encompassing statements of fact. I suggest in the future you do the same.

Sorry but this is THE most ignorant comment I have ever seen on here.
Basketball IS a non contact sport so get your facts straight son. Jump in the air and have anyone touch you and it's a foul, therefore it IS a non contact sport. Sorry to jump on you so hard but I suggest you fuck off and watch the most boring game on the planet (outside of baseball obviously)and leave this board alone ! You ridiculous ignorant ****. By the way how many years have you been watching football for you not to understand all the aspects of it ?????

I would guess then by your logic Football is not a contact sport. Since touching someone(and watching them generally dive to the ground like they've been shot) is also a foul.

Of course we both know football is a contact sport, regardless of that contact generally ending up being a foul.

Forgive me if I'm not overly moved by your vitriol.<br /><br />-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:18 pm --<br /><br />
Hollywood Blue said:
I've lived here in the USA for 22 years and in my opinion US tv companies hate footy because they cannot show the match around a bunch of advertisements like they do with American sports like baseball, the NFL, ice hockey and basketball.
With our footy the only chance they get to show ads is at half time, when you can just get off your arse and do something else for 15 minutes instead of watching.
With American sports you actually see more ads than you do sports and you have no way of knowing when the ads are coming up.
But ads are what their bread and butter is and is fucking massive revenue here in the US of A

That's a very good point. In the end it really is about money isn't it? If they can't have their 30 minutes of advertising per hour and a half of sport their is a very good chance that it won't ever get the "push" we all would like it to receive.
 
DalbeyINUK said:
Hollywood Blue said:
I've lived here in the USA for 22 years and in my opinion US tv companies hate footy because they cannot show the match around a bunch of advertisements like they do with American sports like baseball, the NFL, ice hockey and basketball.
With our footy the only chance they get to show ads is at half time, when you can just get off your arse and do something else for 15 minutes instead of watching.
With American sports you actually see more ads than you do sports and you have no way of knowing when the ads are coming up.
But ads are what their bread and butter is and is fucking massive revenue here in the US of A

That's a very good point. In the end it really is about money isn't it? If they can't have their 30 minutes of advertising per hour and a half of sport their is a very good chance that it won't ever get the "push" we all would like it to receive.

Aye, we think there is a lot of money in the Prem and Champions League but it's peanuts compared to what they pay athletes and what sports teams make over here.
That's why the Glazers probably bought the scum, I bet they thought they'd make a quick turnover, bless 'em.
Chuffed to see it going all tits up
 
Can't believe all the baseball hate. People have no problem sitting through five days of the Ashes, and then slate baseball in the same breath?
 
DalbeyINUK said:
Toronto blue said:
Sorry but this is THE most ignorant comment I have ever seen on here.
Basketball IS a non contact sport so get your facts straight son. Jump in the air and have anyone touch you and it's a foul, therefore it IS a non contact sport. Sorry to jump on you so hard but I suggest you fuck off and watch the most boring game on the planet (outside of baseball obviously)and leave this board alone ! You ridiculous ignorant ****. By the way how many years have you been watching football for you not to understand all the aspects of it ?????

I would guess then by your logic Football is not a contact sport. Since touching someone(and watching them generally dive to the ground like they've been shot) is also a foul.

Of course we both know football is a contact sport, regardless of that contact generally ending up being a foul.

Forgive me if I'm not overly moved by your vitriol.

-- Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:18 pm --

Hollywood Blue said:
I've lived here in the USA for 22 years and in my opinion US tv companies hate footy because they cannot show the match around a bunch of advertisements like they do with American sports like baseball, the NFL, ice hockey and basketball.
With our footy the only chance they get to show ads is at half time, when you can just get off your arse and do something else for 15 minutes instead of watching.
With American sports you actually see more ads than you do sports and you have no way of knowing when the ads are coming up.
But ads are what their bread and butter is and is fucking massive revenue here in the US of A

That's a very good point. In the end it really is about money isn't it? If they can't have their 30 minutes of advertising per hour and a half of sport their is a very good chance that it won't ever get the "push" we all would like it to receive.

I was watching the Columbus Crew vs. Toronto FC game on Saturday and they have their ways of getting in advertisement. Every 10 minutes the commentator becomes an ad machine and starts to talk about one product or another. Usually a car, they had about 5 Ford adverts (pop ups at the bottom of the screen) with the commentator saying something about it, within the first 30 mins. It was unbelievably annoying.
 
USA will win the world cup within the next 16 years !!!

The reasons being that they have a huge number of players at all levels, they spend loads of money at grass roots football (college/school) and they have great coaching in all their sports.
 
Andrea said:
I lived in Italy and moved to USA, Seattle when I was 14. I am a die hard inter Milan and a new man city fan. It bothers that the Americans insult soccer/football when it's such a world wide sport. But the educated Americans know that you have to respect all sports.

P.S go sounders :)

can i assume this is due to the mancini connection?
 

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