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Wonder how Newcastle feel if sergios offside goal had not counted they would have an extra 2 points and Sunderland would have to get something from Watford this weekend I think.
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Wonder how Newcastle feel if sergios offside goal had not counted they would have an extra 2 points and Sunderland would have to get something from Watford this weekend I think.
There is nothing to contradict. Absent making illegal money on the side, refs really don't try to influence games coz of their fandom. It's a silly childish motion.Or if you purposefully avoided answering certain questions which would end up with you contradicting yourself!! :)
It gains traction after games when emotions are high, but under calm review, it doesn't take much to know they are all generally fair and have a natural human bias towards those "deemed the better team"
Us included.
The bigger we get the more calls will favor us too. Even video games have that concept built into them. Aa it is a well documented phenomena across moat team sports.
Tbf if you're going down that road I'm sure we'd be still challenging for the title and not going into the last game with the proverbial squeaky bums.Wonder how Newcastle feel if sergios offside goal had not counted they would have an extra 2 points and Sunderland would have to get something from Watford this weekend I think.
For what it's worth I don't think they're bent - just poor.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016...forward_was_offside_by-a-41_1461105851383.jpg
Fatbloke. There you go.
Fatbloke. There you go.
GeorgeHeslop'sTackle.
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Don't mind Dean, to be honest. Thank Chr*st it's not Clattenburg or Taylor, as there'd be no point in us even turning up, if so.Yhp, another final day showdown against United and Mike Dean is in charge at the Liberty for our game. Don't know as a Dipper whether he'd prefer them or us but he managed not to give them easy calls on Tuesday and tried to help us out a little on the final day 4 years ago.
The EVER reliable Jon Moss gets the Rags game, whilst Marky Mark Clattenburg gets the Arse game. Saying that Dean has refereed 3 of our games this season and we've won all 3, whilst his last 3 United games have seen the Rags lose all 3. Hopefully history can repeat itself Sunday.
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Great ref is Dean. Makes errors like they all do, but the only one back in the day who would stand up to united's manager.
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Tbf if you're going down that road I'm sure we'd be still challenging for the title and not going into the last game with the proverbial squeaky bums.
For what it's worth I don't think they're bent - just poor.
Don't mind Dean, to be honest. Thank Chr*st it's not Clattenburg or Taylor, as there'd be no point in us even turning up, if so.
See my post two pages back.
There is nothing to contradict. Absent making illegal money on the side, refs really don't try to influence games coz of their fandom. It's a silly childish motion.
It gains traction after games when emotions are high, but under calm review, it doesn't take much to know they are all generally fair and have a natural human bias towards those "deemed the better team"
Us included.
The bigger we get the more calls will favor us too. Even video games have that concept built into them. Aa it is a well documented phenomena across moat team sports.
Just out of interest Dax, do you believe the negative image portrayed of our club in the media could cause a natural human bias in referees?
Your question assume a fact i.e that we are uniquely "negatively portrayed." I am not sure that point is a given. But, yes. A negative perception of anything, influences how things are viewed.Just out of interest Dax, do you believe the negative image portrayed of our club in the media could cause a natural human bias in referees?
For example if a player has a history or the perception of being a diver (Sterling), they'll get fewer calls. Some of those decisions will be wrong, but not intentionally done to favor others.
But I don't think we have a negative perception. At least not the type that creates a refereeing bias. Our negative perception is of the Neuvo Rich type.
We are in essence the newer, better Chelsea. This has little effect, I believe, on refereeing bias. Now when we had Balotelli, he got a lot bias induced calls. But nowadays, our good and bad Calla reek more of incompetence than bias ( whether intentional or subconscious).
Your question assume a fact i.e that we are uniquely "negatively portrayed." I am not sure that point is a given. But, yes. A negative perception of anything, influences how things are viewed.
For example if a player has a history or the perception of being a diver (Sterling), they'll get fewer calls. Some of those decisions will be wrong, but not intentionally done to favor others.
But I don't think we have a negative perception. At least not the type that creates a refereeing bias. Our negative perception is of the Neuvo Rich type.
We are in essence the newer, better Chelsea. This has little effect, I believe, on refereeing bias. Now when we had Balotelli, he got a lot bias induced calls. But nowadays, our good and bad Calla reek more of incompetence than bias ( whether intentional or subconscious).
You haven't heard that we're ruining football?
There is nothing to contradict. Absent making illegal money on the side, refs really don't try to influence games coz of their fandom. It's a silly childish motion.
It gains traction after games when emotions are high, but under calm review, it doesn't take much to know they are all generally fair and have a natural human bias towards those "deemed the better team"
Us included.
The bigger we get the more calls will favor us too. Even video games have that concept built into them. Aa it is a well documented phenomena across moat team sports.
You said the Sterling handball against Tottenham at home was poor refereeing. Then in your very next post you define "made up calls" which that decision couldn't possibly be anything else because it's been proven it didn't happen as cheating.
Now you're scrambling to try and change the topic of discussion onto video games. Like I said avoidance tactics!! :)
We are the new Chelaea. Yea, I already pointed that out. That's the New Rich image. But as we win more, we get more accolades too.I bet if someone documented all the favorable vs unfavorable calls from this season, Wed end up with a plus on favorable calls. It's simply a function of how much we've won the last 5 years.You haven't heard that we're ruining football?
When you make an accusation quote the portion so we know what you are talking about.You said the Sterling handball against Tottenham at home was poor refereeing. Then in your very next post you define "made up calls" which that decision couldn't possibly be anything else because it's been proven it didn't happen as cheating.
Now you're scrambling to try and change the topic of discussion onto video games. Like I said avoidance tactics!! :)
By the way, read the definitions again. Especially the underlined portion. Should clear things up for you.
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With had decisions go for us as well. I can't say whether it evens itself or not. There will be teams where it doesn't and those where it doesn't.
But Aguero offside v the barcodes, Sterling ball out in the semi, Demi bringing down Rashford in the Derby spring to mind.
But Aguero offside v the barcodes, Sterling ball out in the semi, Demi bringing down Rashford in the Derby spring to mind.
We are the new Chelaea. Yea, I already pointed that out. That's the New Rich image. But as we win more, we get more accolades too.I bet if someone documented all the favorable vs unfavorable calls from this season, Wed end up with a plus on favorable calls. It's simply a function of how much we've won the last 5 years.
I bet we wouldn't.
Urrhhh! I don't know if this is a project I want to take on. Seeing as I care little about refs, id be bored to death focusing on their every call. But give me a few days to think on it. It just might be a nice summer project. :)I bet we wouldn't.
Urrhhh! I don't know if this is a project I want to take on. Seeing as I care little about refs, id be bored to death focusing on their every call. But give me a few days to think on it. It just might be a nice summer project. :)
Nah fuck that mate, you'd go off your rocker trying to do that, enjoy your summer instead.
We'll just agree to disagree, I think the negative portrayal would have some effect on refs, I also believe the current lot are poor but I don't think they're corrupt or that there's an agenda.
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The Light Was Yellow Sir
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Mangala no penalty v WBA. Fernandinho no penalty v Palace for this year.Can't remember the Sergio one off top of my head but going back to 2014 kind of sums up the amount of decisions that do actually go in our favour.
Back to 2014. Won 1-5 at Spurs. Dawson had a perfectly good equaliser chalked off. Danny Rose sent off and gave away a penalty. Red card overturned. Sterling 'offside' playing for the dippers, City go on and win and win title by two points.
City have also been awarded the most penalties over the last five years. Think we've had one given against us this season and no red cards. Yet more evidence of refs doing their best to derail the City train.
It is swings and roundabouts, you win some you lose some. Do they make mistakes? Of course they do. Are they corrupt? I suspect not.
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