Anders Breivik

[Helmet Cole]

Still not convicted - you only think he did it because of what you have seen and read in the news. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

 

[didactic]

You pull me on a typo yet seem unable to read the Queens English ?.

At no point do I complain about anyone getting a job before me, I am now retired and aint looking for one thanks, and the last time I looked the word percieved means how something is veiwed rather than a fact.

Positive discrimination is however a fact as well, so being a migrant or ethnic does give advantages in some cases over the resident population, In my veiw people should get the job for their skills alone and this legislation is a bone of contention that can be used to renforce those percieved veiws.

I fully agree we have a large section of people who are too lazy to get off their arse, or poorly educated thanks to an education system that has been failing for years, again both education and the benifits system can be laid at the feet of political crusades rather than facing up honestly to problems that now exist.

Enforced means what it says, from schools to police treatment of suspects and council departments there are rules to follow depending on a set of guildlines for different cultures, hardly equal rights for all is it ?.

You want to play the race card by bringing in colour for some reason, again your understanding of English seems to be lacking, race and culture are two different things, but this kind of twisting has been the basis of preventing any kind of discussion untill we get to where we are now.

Finally you decide incorrectly that I am in some way condoning what this nutter has done, how you get to that conclusion I dont know,

My point is that maybe this bloke is a result of a situation where political parties have gone off on liberal crusades without a mandate from the population, and led to this kind of idiot seeing himself as a freedom fighter rather than a monster.
He was apparently a normal if a little weird bloke according to those being interveiwed who grew up with him, yet ends up killing seventy odd people with so little reguard

I would hang the c*nt as a matter of choice.

That explains your views the times sir have changed.

That was installed because minorities were being discriminated against in the job market and it is now equal opportunities. Do you see a black, asian, arab man getting the job George Bush had with the same level of intelligence?

No race card is being used but most of what you are saying is simply incorrect minorities are getting better qualifications and very business minded. Result the richest Briton is an Indian born in India.
This idiot was simply a racist with a sense of entitlement born from the colonist mentality many seem to have. It was fine when the Europeans went around the globe taking over nations but now people come over to Europe to live/work they are invading "the sacred land". The planet belongs to man and man should be allowed to move freely and reside where he wishes.

So the richest Briton is Indian. That makes no sense. He isnt British he is Indian

He was born in India he now has a British passport and owns the biggest and most expensive house in the country.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi_Mittal<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:45 pm --<br /><br />

It's unimaginable to me how any one can go round shooting people and feel no remorse, no pity.

Psychopaths do it and he is not alone there are many capable of such actions for different reasons.

 

[didactic]

Are you really not able to understand that equal does not exist where there are a set of rules that discriminate in some sections favor over others based purely on % targets ?, any employer who does not select the best cadidate for a job would be a fool because its his business that will suffer, yet that is the recruitment policy this legislation enforces on public services, the police, and the armed forces, as well as hampering the private sector.

If you care to check your post its you who brings in race with the descriptive Black, a tactic the left has always used to prevent a reasoned discussion is shout racist, "Is it coz I is Black" indeed.

You come out with a statment that generalises minorities as being able to achieve a higher standard of qulifications and being "very business minded" then go on to call the nutter a racist ?, think about it.

You have to understand that the scales were unfairly balanced for so long noone is using the "is it because I am black" line. Also noone is saying lets not debate this issue as far as I see that is exactly what we are doing, discussing it.

Your statements are not true as you seem to be suggesting that minorities that work in the fields you mentioned are all less qualified than their white counterparts. That simply is not true for a people who were not even allowed to get an education let alone apply for jobs up until recent times you cannot fault the progress made. I will agree with your statement when you show me the evidence to justify these statements.

It is not a generalisation have a look at the figures and you will see that minorities are excelling when given the chance. I remember my father saying he could not understand how some would shun an education when at the time he arrived here education was free. The culture he came from it was best to get as educated as possible and that is the whole ethos in our family. None of us have been given a hand to achieve anything infact the direct opposite has usually been the case.

 

[SWP's back]

Your statements are not true as you seem to be suggesting that minorities that work in the fields you mentioned are all less qualified than their white counterparts. That simply is not true for a people who were not even allowed to get an education let alone apply for jobs up until recent times you cannot fault the progress made. I will agree with your statement when you show me the evidence to justify these statements.

It is not a generalisation have a look at the figures and you will see that minorities are excelling when given the chance. I remember my father saying he could not understand how some would shun an education when at the time he arrived here education was free. The culture he came from it was best to get as educated as possible and that is the whole ethos in our family. None of us have been given a hand to achieve anything infact the direct opposite has usually been the case.

Recent being how old? A few weeks or a few centuries?

And then just a lovely wow again.

 

[Balti]

how come immigrants all want to be 'British' when devolution is in the process of ripping that very notion apart anyhow?

anyways hang that breivik ****

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

how come immigrants all want to be 'British' when devolution is in the process of ripping that very notion apart anyhow?

anyways hang that breivik ****

The Norwegians don't do hanging - they're civilised you see.
I think this may have been mentioned a dozen or so times in the last nineteen pages.

 

[Rascal]

how come immigrants all want to be 'British' when devolution is in the process of ripping that very notion apart anyhow?

I would have thought that an immigrant makes no distinction between English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish, where as certain members of our indiginous people do.

I may of course be wrong

 

[didactic]

how come immigrants all want to be 'British' when devolution is in the process of ripping that very notion apart anyhow?

I would have thought that an immigrant makes no distinction between English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish, where as certain members of our indiginous people do.

I may of course be wrong

We have that tick box "Black British" thats what I fill in. I am sure there is one Indian British too.

 

[Balti]

how come immigrants all want to be 'British' when devolution is in the process of ripping that very notion apart anyhow?

anyways hang that breivik ****

The Norwegians don't do hanging - they're civilised you see.
I think this may have been mentioned a dozen or so times in the last nineteen pages.

oh ok

shame he doesn't share their values bless them

-- Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:57 pm --

how come immigrants all want to be 'British' when devolution is in the process of ripping that very notion apart anyhow?

I would have thought that an immigrant makes no distinction between English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish, where as certain members of our indiginous people do.

I may of course be wrong

my point entirely

I may of course be wrong also

-- Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:58 pm --

how come immigrants all want to be 'British' when devolution is in the process of ripping that very notion apart anyhow?

I would have thought that an immigrant makes no distinction between English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish, where as certain members of our indiginous people do.

I may of course be wrong

We have that tick box "Black British" thats what I fill in. I am sure there is one Indian British too.

no Indian English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish then?
shame

my point was only that in an era where the jocks are questionning the value of being 'British' then what value does being 'British' have for anyone

home nation first and 'british' a very poor second if it even exists any more

 

[1961_vintage]

Who are we to judge what he believes in? It is his actions that he should be held to account for, not his beliefs.

As to the question, personally I don't think that he is mad. Wrong - absolutely. But his behaviour was not dissimilar to that of a military operative, hence the lack of remorse, as he implemented a plan that was 8 years in the making.

There is of course every possibility that he will become a beacon for the far right and some kind of sick celebrity. Thankfully I don't imagine that it will be too far into his prison sentence until he is helped on his way.

 

[blueonblue]

You can not justify positive discrimination on the grounds " that the scales were unfairly balanced for so long", if it was wrong then, how can it be right now simply because it works the other way ?.

"Your statements are not true as you seem to be suggesting that minorities that work in the fields you mentioned are all less qualified than their white counterparts".

No I didnt, I stated the fact that in those area`s possitive discrimination is used, so people are not judged on ability but set targets for minorities, women, disabled, ect, it was you who made the claim that minorities get the jobs because they are better qualified and more buisness minded.


"That simply is not true for a people who were not even allowed to get an education let alone apply for jobs up until recent times"

Try reading up on British history for f*ck sake, that statment covered women untill just before the first world war, and the late eighteen hundreds for everyone else, the difference is people fought for those "Rights" here.

Decent wages, education for children, working conditions, and fredom of speach, was paid for in blood and suffering both in wars and industrial actions , it was never free so try again with your "None of us have been given a hand to achieve anything".

Your whole slant on this nutter is that he is racist, and he may well be, yet the victims of his killing spree were not minorities but political, he raged against the political system because he claims there was things happening to "His" country he disagreed with but no redress was possible under a system that just carried on without a mandate from the people.

Unless this side of things is highlighted then he will be filed under racist nutter rather than a product of the kind of political system that has emerged under the EU.

 

[Rascal]

Unless this side of things is highlighted then he will be filed under racist nutter rather than a product of the kind of political system that has emerged under the EU.

Norway is not a member of the EU

 

[SWP's back]

Unless this side of things is highlighted then he will be filed under racist nutter rather than a product of the kind of political system that has emerged under the EU.

Norway is not a member of the EU

Very true, but they are a member of:

European free trade association
European Economic Area
Council of Europe

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

they should put him in a south african prison. horrible as that is.

his time would be limited and i could see his emotional barriers falling away.

i hold no sympathy for him, whatsoever.

 

[Skashion]

Your whole slant on this nutter is that he is racist, and he may well be, yet the victims of his killing spree were not minorities but political, he raged against the political system because he claims there was things happening to "His" country he disagreed with but no redress was possible under a system that just carried on without a mandate from the people.

Unless this side of things is highlighted then he will be filed under racist nutter rather than a product of the kind of political system that has emerged under the EU.

So Anders, is a reaction to the EU, which Norway is not a member of, who let Muslims in (less than 3.5% of the population) of non-EU origin - so wouldn't have to be allowed in under EU/EEA rules anyway? Makes perfect sense.

The Norwegians have a strongly democratic system for expressing dissent if needs be. Anders is a psychopath who spat his dummy out because very few agreed with him. The people with the highest living standards in the world are probably not all that bothered by Muslims or immigrants.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

they should put him in a south african prison. horrible as that is.

his time would be limited and i could see his emotional barriers falling away.

i hold no sympathy for him, whatsoever.

I therefore assume you must be some kind of expert on the South African penal system.
Because the awful alternative would be that you are talking out of your arse,as you were last time when you started a prison thread with an ill-informed rant.
Do you actually appreciate how bonkers that suggestion is?

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

I therefore assume you must be some kind of expert on the South African penal system.
Because the awful alternative would be that you are talking out of your arse,as you were last time when you started a prison thread with an ill-informed rant.
Do you actually appreciate how bonkers that suggestion is?

did i declare myself as an expert?it was wrong of you to assume anything mate!

i gave my opinion only...i have no respect for this guy whatsoever.

the last time i started a thread about re offenders....it was a rant but the thread went another direction altogether.

& yes i do know how bonkers that is....that is why i posted it !

 

[Skashion]

So your disagreeing with the fact that EDL and others are on the rise?

Give your a head a wobble mate.

Well, in my area the BNP have come very close to winning the majority of seats, think that was last year

Wouldn't surprise me if they win it out right soon enough

The right-wing continues on their rise: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17959612" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17959612</a>