Andy Burnham | Manchester Mayor

jrb said:
A direct underground tube line from the Etihad through the city centre to Old Trafford would be a good transport match day and city centre transport solution for both clubs and the fans.
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Would we have first dibs on the building work starting from the Etihad or would it start from OT and miraculously run out of money at Piccadilly Station ala HS2, 10 minute journey time?
Yes the regeneration would be great for Greater Manchester even if it delivered 10% of the 90,000 new jobs claims and much needed affordable housing (?) - they are proposing 5,000 residential units, can they fit this all in to that area? But we need improvements to the transport infrastructure first - there will soon be 80,000+ people at events more than the current OT!
 
bluealf said:
nobody fucks WHU for their free stadium
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West Ham got a stadium that was used for another purpose too, this custom built toilet the freeloaders want while they hemorrhage cash and con their way through league financial rules is another story.

I mean who gives a fuck about West Ham anyway :)
 
Silva2021 said:
Be interesting what detail they have.

Assuming United will still have to foot the bill for the stadium.

A petition might not get too much traction at this point, but something should be said.
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Its clear there will be a plan to conflate squad spending with development costs.

They will end up justifying spending development money on players and getting it through the accounts...

The world will heap praise on them all the time [technically] tax payers money will have been used to clear their debt... obvious innit.
 
Gazza said:
I'd love to see the maths behind these reduced speed zones on dual carriageways (70 down to 50mph) - Apparently 50mph is less polluting than 70mph even though you'd spend less time in the zone at 70mph - also some vehicles might need to drop a gear at 50mph and thus produce more revs/pollution.
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I was living in Spain following the financial crisis of 2008. In an effort to conserve fuel the government reduced the maximum speed allowed on motorways from 120 kph to 110 kph for the whole of the country. About a year later the plans were reversed and the maximum speed returned to 120 kph. The whole scheme was a complete waste of time.
 
mexico1970 said:
West Ham got a stadium that was used for another purpose too, this custom built toilet the freeloaders want while they hemorrhage cash and con their way through league financial rules is another story.

I mean who gives a fuck about West Ham anyway :)
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I'm not defending the rags in the slightest, it is disgusting that they are helping develop 'around' the ground, did we get this help or did City or our owners stump up the vast majority of the cash.

WHU

Who paid what?

The largest chunk of funding for the transformation comes from a one-off settlement of £148.8m from the exchequer in 2010. On top of that Newham council provided £40m through a loan (in return for a 35% stake), almost £40m came from the original £9.3bn budget for the Olympics and a further £25m from the government. UK Athletics invested £1m and the London Marathon Charitable Trust provided £3.5m.

West Ham agreed to pay £15m towards the overall conversion costs, plus a basic £2.5m a year in rent. The rest of the conversion budget is funded by London Legacy Development Corporation (LLDC). Following a long freedom of information battle, campaigners eventually uncovered the detailed terms of the contract – including extra payments by West Ham if they succeeded on the pitch but reductions in the annual rent if they were relegated. In return the joint venture between LLDC and Newham council that owns the stadium meets all the running costs. Under various formulae, West Ham also share in profits from hospitality and catering.


Critics said West Ham had secured “the deal of the century” at the expense of the taxpayer. The club, who hoped to use the move from Upton Park as a springboard to boost revenues, attendance and their status (as signified by adding the word London to their badge), contended that only they could offer the stadium a sustainable future free of subsidy and that the deal was fair for all parties.

www.theguardian.com

West Ham’s Olympic Stadium deal explained: from Water City to the London Stadium

After London’s mayor Sadiq Khan ordered an inquiry into the inflated cost of the stadium, a look at how the Hammers got there, and who’s footing the bill
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


Though there is something in the papers at the moment about some court order being won by WHU but it was all behind a pay wall.
 
jrb said:
They did. So did MCC and Sport England. City taking the Commonwealth Games stadium saved the stadium from ending up a White Elephant.

Since City began leasing the stadium, with different names, guessing, I’d say City have invested well over £500mill in the stadium.

Unfortunately, ask any rival fan and they will tell you City got a free (football) stadium. We all know that isn’t true. But once again the worong and incorrect narrative is set in stone regarding CIty and their free Etihad stadium.

Add £150mill for the CFA, and £175mill for the Coop Live Arena, and Sheikh Mansour has invested well over £750mill in the Etihad Campus so far. Whatever is planned for the Collar site will take that figure to well over £1bill.
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I think it’s fair to say all parties benefitted.

Maine Road was looking worn out by the end. The Platt Lane was a monumental disaster holding a measly 6000 seats and without the two temporary stands the capacity would have been a mere 32000. What has followed since, the takeover the massive investment into the stadium, hotels, training ground, academy stadium could never have happened on the old site and, as stated at the time, the Sheik was looking at Newcastle which may have been considered a more attractive investment if we had still been at Maine Road.

The Council have benefitted by having a permanent tenant maintaining the stadium, paying fees to be reinvested in sports locally and Sports England were able to build a permanent stadium knowing it would not turn into a white elephant.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Correction. The stadium wouldn't have been a white elephant as it wouldn't have been built at all if City hadn't agreed to move in. Without City, there's no stadium and no Commonwealth Games therefore.
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If I could add to your post..

'..no Commonwealth Games therefore no successful Commonwealth Games (which Manchester was, both as a sporting spectacle and in financial terms, turning a small profit), therefore no London Olympics and everything that followed'

also

'United were sounded out even before City regarding taking on the Manchester Commonwealth Games stadium. They turned it down as it wouldn't be big enough for them'

and also

'City gave up its home at Maine Road to Manchester city council for development (correct me if I am wrong, this accrued northwards of £20M for the council upon selling to developers?)'

and also also

'City, before the Sheikh, took out a £25M bond loan to complete the Commonwealth Games stadium (digging out the lower tier, building the North Stand and so on)'

and also also also

'As everyone else has posted on here so far, under the Sheikh, City has continued to develop the stadium at huge cost, including the wider development of the Philips Park/East Manchester area to the benefit of the city as a whole, involving sums of money well northwards of £200M and rising..'

I stand by what I said in another thread some months ago, as someone who joined the Labour Party as a university student over 50 years ago now - if one penny of public money goes toward the venal, self-interested plans being cooked up by Ratcliffe/the Glazers to help that profligate shower across town build a new stadium for their own use, then I'll tear up my membership card if our government falls for their blandishments.

F**k the Red Filth and their money grubbing owners.. let THEM pay for it out of the billions they've glummed out of that awful club since taking it over..
 
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franksinatra said:
I think it’s fair to say all parties benefitted.

Maine Road was looking worn out by the end. The Platt Lane was a monumental disaster holding a measly 6000 seats and without the two temporary stands the capacity would have been a mere 32000. What has followed since, the takeover the massive investment into the stadium, hotels, training ground, academy stadium could never have happened on the old site and, as stated at the time, the Sheik was looking at Newcastle which may have been considered a more attractive investment if we had still been at Maine Road.

The Council have benefitted by having a permanent tenant maintaining the stadium, paying fees to be reinvested in sports locally and Sports England were able to build a permanent stadium knowing it would not turn into a white elephant.
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I’ll agree with that. What really changed everything was Sheikh Mansour buying the club.
It was a no brainer for him, even though he also looked at other clubs to buy. Our loyal support that he could rely on.(to this day) A relatively new stadium that could be made larger. Acres of land around the stadium that he could buy and redevelop. And a city council he knew he could work with.
 
I estimate the figures to be -
Cost of COMS was £110m and wanted a sitting tenant otherwise it would not be built

City have given them £30 million Maine Road
Paid £25 million to convert for football
Paid in excess £60m in rent
£135 m to build extra tier SS
£300m to do the NS
We've paid more than the cost of the stadium

Last April Burnham said if OT was refurbished it would be private and PUBLIC cash.
Hes rapidly backtracked now and said not a penny would be spent on the stadium.

He's as slippery as a snake.
 
kismet said:
I estimate the figures to be -
Cost of COMS was £110m and wanted a sitting tenant otherwise it would not be built

City have given them £30 million Maine Road
Paid £25 million to convert for football
Paid in excess £60m in rent
£135 m to build extra tier SS
£300m to do the NS
We've paid more than the cost of the stadium

Last April Burnham said if OT was refurbished it would be private and PUBLIC cash.
Hes rapidly backtracked now and said not a penny would be spent on the stadium.

He's as slippery as a snake.
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JRB do you agree my figures please
 
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