Angus Gunn

The Riot Club said:
I'd rather have Hart as back up than Bravo. But I'm pretty sure Hart will want to be someone's first choice, and to be fair he's still good enough to be.
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Well there doesn't seem to be any takers yet for him. he could never be our No 2 even on form he isn't our sort of player anymore. Bravo is.
 
blueparrot said:
Well there doesn't seem to be any takers yet for him. he could never be our No 2 even on form he isn't our sort of player anymore. Bravo is.
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Except Bravo seldom keeps the ball out of the net, nor inspires the defence with confidence. Surely for a back-up keeper we'd just need somebody to make a few saves until the first choice is fit again?

Tell me honestly, would you be more confident of a clean sheet say away at Everton or Newcastle with Hart in goal or Bravo? Just for a couple of games til Eddie was back?
 
The Riot Club said:
Except Bravo seldom keeps the ball out of the net, nor inspires the defence with confidence. Surely for a back-up keeper we'd just need somebody to make a few saves until the first choice is fit again?

Tell me honestly, would you be more confident of a clean sheet say away at Everton or Newcastle with Hart in goal or Bravo? Just for a couple of games til Eddie was back?
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Joe all day.
 
The Riot Club said:
Except Bravo seldom keeps the ball out of the net, nor inspires the defence with confidence. Surely for a back-up keeper we'd just need somebody to make a few saves until the first choice is fit again?

Tell me honestly, would you be more confident of a clean sheet say away at Everton or Newcastle with Hart in goal or Bravo? Just for a couple of games til Eddie was back?
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On current form not much in it. But a keeper playing out like Ederson is pivotal to how we play and attack but also how our defence plays quickly because the keeper reads the game so even if I thought Hart was better it's more important the keeper is comfortable with his control and passing.
Our defenders and pivot aren't suddenly going to stop passing through the keeper for the odd game because Ederson isn't playing they don't want to see the keeper panicking when he gets a pass.
 
blueparrot said:
On current form not much in it. But a keeper playing out like Ederson is pivotal to how we play and attack but also how our defence plays quickly because the keeper reads the game so even if I thought Hart was better it's more important the keeper is comfortable with his control and passing.
Our defenders and pivot aren't suddenly going to stop passing through the keeper for the odd game because Ederson isn't playing they don't want to see the keeper panicking when he gets a pass.
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I do get your point but Bravo is a bit panicky too isn't he. He tries to play the Pep way, unlike Hart did, but he's not great at it. I just wonder if the risk of Bravo clangers outweighs just having a reliable goalkeeper as back up.

For what Bravo may help create by passing it out, he's often cancelled that out by letting in a soft goal.
 
The Riot Club said:
I do get your point but Bravo is a bit panicky too isn't he. He tries to play the Pep way, unlike Hart did, but he's not great at it. I just wonder if the risk of Bravo clangers outweighs just having a reliable goalkeeper as back up.

For what Bravo may help create by passing it out, he's often cancelled that out by letting in a soft goal.
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That's the problem with Bravo v Hart, Joe just isn't reliable anymore (or been for awhile) as well as not being able to play pep's way. Bravo is the best of a poor choice if only selecting between them two.
 
The Riot Club said:
I do get your point but Bravo is a bit panicky too isn't he. He tries to play the Pep way, unlike Hart did, but he's not great at it. I just wonder if the risk of Bravo clangers outweighs just having a reliable goalkeeper as back up.

For what Bravo may help create by passing it out, he's often cancelled that out by letting in a soft goal.
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He is quite good at it. He is not a great shot stopper. Hart will never play for City while Pep is in charge. Why can't people just accept it.
 
lee_wsm said:
Bravo will always win over hart as he plays how pep asks him to
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Nail on head mate. I’m not denying that Joe has been a top keeper, in the past, and I’ll always be grateful to him for the major role he played in helping us achieve most of our recent, successes. (Post 2008)

Joe just wasn’t moved on because he couldn’t control the ball with his feet.

He was “allegedly” moved on because, over time, he had acquired a right “Billy Big Potatoes” (I’ll do as I please) dressing room attitude, that, it can be argued, lead to the previous manager getting the sack.

In that pre season game against Arsenal at Highbury, a couple of years or so back,(Pep’s first game iirc) Joe was picked to play, on the proviso that, no matter how the game was panning out, he would at least attempt to adapt to Pep’s preferred system.

The minute we went a goal down, Joe ignored those instructions completely, and, much to the manager’s dismay on the touch line, immediately started to lump the ball long.

It was obvious, from the look they gave each other after the game, that Joe’s, perceived, rebellious attitude to authority remained as strong as ever, and, as a result, from that moment on, he no longer had, or has, any kind future here while Pep’s still in charge.

Besides which, for whatever reason, he’s now turned, even by second string standards, into a bloody awful keeper full stop. (arguably now even worse than Bravo) let’s be honest.
 
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oakiecokie said:
Gunn had an outstanding season at Norwich and he`s hardly likely to dis-lodge Eddie.Even if we make him our number two goalie I doubt he would want to accept that and who can blame him.
If the figure of £15M is correct then thats excellent business,but even better for a buy back clause to be included in any deal.
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He did an interview with a Norwich fan channel and seemed eager to be part of the first team squad at City.
A year as understudy/Cup GK getting potentially 15+ games, depending on how far we get in the domestic cups and whether there are any dead rubber type games in the CL & PL, would be a good taste of top level football for him.

Personally I'd prefer he replace Bravo next season than sell him but 15m with a buyback/sellon seems ok (dont think it's fantastic given he and Maddison were Norwich's best players and the latter has just gone to LC for 10m more than that).

I don't think we'll ever end up using the buyback given we have Ederson & cant see us buying him back for say 25m just to get at most 10m on top of that, reckon we're the kind of club that would rather not upset Southampton (or whoever he signs for) for a bit of profit
 
Silva_Spell said:
He did an interview with a Norwich fan channel and seemed eager to be part of the first team squad at City.
A year as understudy/Cup GK getting potentially 15+ games, depending on how far we get in the domestic cups and whether there are any dead rubber type games in the CL & PL, would be a good taste of top level football for him.

Personally I'd prefer he replace Bravo next season than sell him but 15m with a buyback/sellon seems ok (dont think it's fantastic given he and Maddison were Norwich's best players and the latter has just gone to LC for 10m more than that).

I don't think we'll ever end up using the buyback given we have Ederson & cant see us buying him back for say 25m just to get at most 10m on top of that, reckon we're the kind of club that would rather not upset Southampton (or whoever he signs for) for a bit of profit
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But then what after a year on the bench, he would be in the same position he is now but we would be in a worse position as he'd be going into his last year. Going now is best for himself ,especially as he is on the edge of the England squad and best for us to get a good deal with a buy back sell on inserted.
 
blueparrot said:
But then what after a year on the bench, he would be in the same position he is now but we would be in a worse position as he'd be going into his last year. Going now is best for himself ,especially as he is on the edge of the England squad and best for us to get a good deal with a buy back sell on inserted.
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Having Gunn in net instead of Bravo would offset the 7m or whatever the drop in price would be imo
 
BlueDeadHead said:
No...You quite literally are NOT accepting it.
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You misunderstand. I accept Pep's decision and choice, obviously.

But I'm not happy that our back up keeper is in my opinion a worse one than Hart. However, given Pep clearly wants his back up keeper to be someone other than Hart I accept that. Bravo may be better at Pep's way than Hart but he's still not very good at it. And he's way behind at actually saving shots.
 
The Riot Club said:
You misunderstand. I accept Pep's decision and choice, obviously.

But I'm not happy that our back up keeper is in my opinion a worse one than Hart. However, given Pep clearly wants his back up keeper to be someone other than Hart I accept that. Bravo may be better at Pep's way than Hart but he's still not very good at it. And he's way behind at actually saving shots.
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Hart is awful.
 
The Riot Club said:
You misunderstand. I accept Pep's decision and choice, obviously.

But I'm not happy that our back up keeper is in my opinion a worse one than Hart. However, given Pep clearly wants his back up keeper to be someone other than Hart I accept that. Bravo may be better at Pep's way than Hart but he's still not very good at it. And he's way behind at actually saving shots.
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Bravo was one of the top 5 keepers in the world with his feet when we bought him, and he has done fine in that department. I don't know why you don't see that.

Nobody is arguing that Bravo WAS a better shot stopper than Hart (though at this point he just might be). Pep clearly rates ability on the ball more.

So, its not a case of saying who is better or worse. Bravo and Hart are simply different. Bravo is clearly superior in the area that Pep prioritizes.
 
Mon Autre said:
How do you know they expect him to be number three? He obviously wouldn't sign for them if that were the case when he could play another season as number one choice at a competitive championship club.

I v much doubt Southampton would spend £15m on a third choice keeper. Forster's stock dropped massively last year and they finished the season without a clear first choice. If they spend £15m on a keeper one of those two will definitely be moved on and Gunn will be given a chance to earn the number one spot.

As for not believing in himself, he can believe in himself all he wants, but if City are telling him they believe in aa24 yr old Ederson more and he wont be playing then that doesn't make him a loser. Moving on to prove himself elsewhere is the wisest move in the circumstances and still gives him a pathway to the top.
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From fans forums they expect McCarthy to be number one next season as he finished the season well.and there are too many if`s to a 15 million bid city not wanting him Southampton staying up and him believing he is better than any premiership goalkeeper
 
I can totally understand Gunn wanting to move on to a team where he has a chance or being number one as there is unlikely to be a way past Ederson in the next few years.

It is a very different situation from that faced by Hart when he spent a season at Birmingham City. Shay Given was getting on so there was every chance Hart would replace him.

Keepers have to grab chances when they can or they can spend years on the bench. 15 Million for Angus seems fair if a bit low when compared to Pickford who went to Everton for 25m (rising to 30m) after just 31 games for Sunderland.

Hart is history> He made no effort to even try to play the Pep way despite knowing that Pep was coming for ages. If he had made a real effort to adapt I would have a lot more respect for him. If he had really focussed I am sure that he would have made a success of his post City career and would still have been England's keeper.
 
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