Another gun massacre in the States (merged)

[Lucky13]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Who or what gives the old man the right to further endanger everyone else?

What would you have done?

Not sure. But I don't carry a firearm, so that wouldn't be an option. I can tell you that if I'd been there with my family I'd have been mad as hell at that reckless idiot.

-- Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:48 pm --

Who or what gives the old man the right to further endanger everyone else?

At a guess The American Constitution.

Are you American? If not, then I can understand why you are mistaken.

You do realise that if the armed robbers hadn't entered the bank this discussion wouldn't exist?

Again a guess , but i'd suggest the old guy had a permit to carry a gun, if not i'm sure he would have been prosecuted?

 

[scenecreamer]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

What would you have done?

Not sure. But I don't carry a firearm, so that wouldn't be an option. I can tell you that if I'd been there with my family I'd have been mad as hell at that reckless idiot.

-- Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:48 pm --

At a guess The American Constitution.

Are you American? If not, then I can understand why you are mistaken.

You do realise that if the armed robbers hadn't entered the bank this discussion wouldn't exist?

Again a guess , but i'd suggest the old guy had a permit to carry a gun, if not i'm sure he would have been prosecuted?

You may be surprised. A similar situation occurred in my hometown a couple of years ago. The shooter killed both robbers, whose shotgun was not loaded. The guy didn't have a conceal carry license, but he wasn't charged with anything and was widely considered a hero.

A hero!!!? For killing two unarmed teens. Wild west bullshit.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

You may be surprised. A similar situation occurred in my hometown a couple of years ago. The shooter killed both robbers, whose shotgun was not loaded. The guy didn't have a conceal carry license, but he wasn't charged with anything and was widely considered a hero.

A hero!!!? For killing two unarmed teens. Wild west bullshit.

I'm pretty sure the law wouldn't class them as being 'unarmed'. They were carrying a shotgun FFS!!

I wouldn't class him as a hero, but I certainly don't have any sympathy for the two fuckwits who thought scaring the living daylights out of innocent people by theatening them with a gun would be a good way to spend the day.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Why? If it wasn't for him, you and your family may have been hurt. I didn't see him shooting towards any of of the innocent people in there. At the time he acted, there's a good chance he thought that he and all the others may be killed.

It's rare for bystanders to be killed during armed robberies in cases where no "have a go heroes" try and stop the robbery.

I'd think that if the robbers were armed, his actions would have made things far worse for the people in the room.

 

[Barcon]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Why? If it wasn't for him, you and your family may have been hurt. I didn't see him shooting towards any of of the innocent people in there. At the time he acted, there's a good chance he thought that he and all the others may be killed.

It's rare for bystanders to be killed during armed robberies in cases where no "have a go heroes" try and stop the robbery.

I'd think that if the robbers were armed, his actions would have made things far worse for the people in the room.

They were armed, and all this what if stuff is irrelevent. The guy stood up for himself and possibly made the two scrotes think twice about trying that stunt again.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Why? If it wasn't for him, you and your family may have been hurt. I didn't see him shooting towards any of of the innocent people in there. At the time he acted, there's a good chance he thought that he and all the others may be killed.

It's rare for bystanders to be killed during armed robberies in cases where no "have a go heroes" try and stop the robbery.

I'd think that if the robbers were armed, his actions would have made things far worse for the people in the room.

They were armed, and all this what if stuff is irrelevent. The guy stood up for himself and possibly made the two scrotes think twice about trying that stunt again.

I'm sure he did, but if they were really armed then his stunt may have resulted in more deaths, his own included.

 

[scenecreamer]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

What would you have done?

Not sure. But I don't carry a firearm, so that wouldn't be an option. I can tell you that if I'd been there with my family I'd have been mad as hell at that reckless idiot.
-- Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:48 pm --

At a guess The American Constitution.

Are you American? If not, then I can understand why you are mistaken.

Why? If it wasn't for him, you and your family may have been hurt. I didn't see him shooting towards any of of the innocent people in there. At the time he acted, there's a good chance he thought that he and all the others may be killed.

It is also very likely in the hypothetical situation that he may have hurt many innocent people.
The robbers could have decided to fire back should their gun have been loaded.

The old man shot out the front door ffs. He could have hit people driving by. It is absolutely reckless behavior.

This is only one example, remember. There are others where things didn't go so well. This is what should be taken into consideration.

The first shot the old guy let off was right next to an innocent woman. Imagine if the robber had turned and fired... What then? Who's to blame?

 

[Barcon]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Not sure. But I don't carry a firearm, so that wouldn't be an option. I can tell you that if I'd been there with my family I'd have been mad as hell at that reckless idiot.
-- Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:48 pm --


Are you American? If not, then I can understand why you are mistaken.

Why? If it wasn't for him, you and your family may have been hurt. I didn't see him shooting towards any of of the innocent people in there. At the time he acted, there's a good chance he thought that he and all the others may be killed.

It is also very likely in the hypothetical situation that he may have hurt many innocent people.
The robbers could have decided to fire back should their gun have been loaded.

The old man shot out the front door ffs. He could have hit people driving by. It is absolutely reckless behavior.

This is only one example, remember. There are others where things didn't go so well. This is what should be taken into consideration.

The first shot the old guy let off was right next to an innocent woman. Imagine if the robber had turned and fired... What then? Who's to blame?

Why are you making this hypothetical situation? I'm commenting on what I see, not what may have happened. I see nothing wrong with what he did in that situation, yes if it was a different situation it may have ended differently. but it's not, and it didn't. If it was adiffernnt situation I wouldn't have commented.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Why are you making this hypothetical situation? I'm commenting on what I see, not what may have happened. I see nothing wrong with what he did in that situation, yes if it was a different situation it may have ended differently. but it's not, and it didn't. If it was adiffernnt situation I wouldn't have commented.

That is madness. You think he did the right thing but he did not know they had unloaded weapons. So ofcourse the hypothetical is pertinent to the discussion.

He acted when he thought the were armed with loaded weapons, making his actions totally wrong as he could have caused a far worse situation to occur. It is not as if he was a Navy SEAL or anything, he could barely hit a barn door with a fucking banjo.

 

[scenecreamer]

Re: Another gun massacre in the States.

Why? If it wasn't for him, you and your family may have been hurt. I didn't see him shooting towards any of of the innocent people in there. At the time he acted, there's a good chance he thought that he and all the others may be killed.

It is also very likely in the hypothetical situation that he may have hurt many innocent people.
The robbers could have decided to fire back should their gun have been loaded.

The old man shot out the front door ffs. He could have hit people driving by. It is absolutely reckless behavior.

This is only one example, remember. There are others where things didn't go so well. This is what should be taken into consideration.

The first shot the old guy let off was right next to an innocent woman. Imagine if the robber had turned and fired... What then? Who's to blame?

Why are you making this hypothetical situation? I'm commenting on what I see, not what may have happened. I see nothing wrong with what he did in that situation, yes if it was a different situation it may have ended differently. but it's not, and it didn't. If it was adiffernnt situation I wouldn't have commented.

But the hypothetical needs to be considered when deciding if the public should have the right to do this! It is not irrelevant.

Are you saying you condone the mans actions because luckily no one (other than the robbers) was shot?