Another new Brexit thread

[west didsblue]

Haha brilliant.

It will be for you as a resident of Scotland.

 

[blueinsa]

That’s not entirely True though. Since we voted in to the EU all those years ago a vocal group have never accepted it and tried to get us out as is their democratic right. The same will happen after his is eventually settled, it won’t heal he nation. This will drag on for years.

I've no issue with a campaign to be a member of the EU or one to leave it.

Would you class a campaign to leave for the last 40 years the same as what remain MP's are doing now in Parliament?

 

[Bluemanc100]

But the government is threatening to pull the whole thing if there are amendments! It seems Johnson's personal "dead in a ditch" deadline is more important than actually "getting Brexit done".

I mean the amendments currently in the deal... not the sections the opposition parties want changing...

 

[Metal Biker]

We’ve also managed to preserve the union for hundreds of years.

No we haven't. Ireland left in the 1920's.

 

[blueinsa]

The Benn act was one page.
This one is 120 pages plus the same again in explanatory notes.
20 days would be appropriate not 3.

Best get reading then.

3 days, 20 days, 200 years it matters not a jot.

They have publicly stated they will never vote for any deal regardless.

They will vote against even discussing it today.

Why are you demanding time to discuss something they wont discuss or agree?

Cut to the chase, revoke if they have the numbers and lets go to a GE.

 

[Blue Hefner]

But not the Benn act.

Parliament can move when it wants and at a pace it wants we got told when the Benn act went through in a day.

3 days is ample for a subject they have discussing for the last 3 years.

Get on with it.

I think we can all agree that this piece of legislation is much more important and complex than the Benn Act

With that in mind, what is the rush? If something is worth doing, it’s worth doing right. And if it does benefit the country then there should be absolutely no objections to MPs from around the country reading it, considering it and making any objections and/or concerns known

You wouldn’t buy a house in 3 days so why rush something which is apparently the most important piece of Legislation in 50 years?

 

[M18CTID]

Haha brilliant.

That reminds me - in the wake of the vote to leave, my cousin posted a massive rant on Facebook about it, citing all the usual stuff about thickos and racists, and saying she was disgusted with the country and was going to move to Scotland. She lives in a highly affluent enclave of East Sussex, has a rich husband, and if a group of Syrian refugees moved in nearby she'd be the first to fucking moan.

As things stand, she hasn't yet moved to Scotland, surprise surprise.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Why not?
There'll be no shortage of business transferring from England if Scotland achieve their ambition of becoming an EU member.
There'll also be no shortage of Scots living in England relocating back up there if the opportunities are better, and no shortage of English people doing the same subject to freedom of movement.

So this wealth of new business will allow the Scottish nation to support the population as they do today? They get more per head than we do in England right now yet they still complain about being ruled by Westminster... I think they need to be very careful what they wish for

I used to live and work on Anglesey.. when any of the English lads moaned about living there the local lads would say "is the bridge closed?"

Your assumption that they'll see a massive influx post devolution is just as reliable as the scaremongers who say we'll be fucked if there's a no-deal.. the simple fact is that nobody knows

 

[M18CTID]

They have been replying to both of us and even asking us both similar questions so I just thought I’d continue and answer.

To be fair I’ve not been for just cancelling Brexit at any stage either.

I even said if the government just revoked I’d be deeply worried about democracy.

I was for another referendum for a while but the more I see polling at close to 50/50, I just think there’s absolutely zero point and it’ll just further confuse the matter.

I’ve said for a while now we should leave with a deal and despite the fact I truly believe the economy will suffer, it’s the best chance to actually heal as a country and concentrate on getting the best out of this ever-changing world.

The next agenda should be to crush the Scottish Independence movement and cast Sturgeon in the same direction as Farage - the bin.

Can't argue with any of that mate. Interestingly, when we were in the pub on Saturday watching the match a mate asked me, in view of the past 3 years or so of chaos and with us effectively still not past first base, would I vote any differently if there was a second in-out referendum. I said I'd seriously consider voting to remain, albeit reluctantly.

 

[BobKowalski]

Key things to tackle is rule out the possibility of no deal at the two cliff edge dates otherwise we are back to this interminable will we/won’t we nonsense which is also a drag on future investment.

NI arrangements are largely blank on the costs and impacts as no one knows. How you can enter into an arrangement whose scale and impact you have no clue over is beyond me but it isn’t going to get worked out in 14 months along with everything else so you need a realistic timeframe.

The rest is a long way of saying we will be tied into the EU for x number of years and at the end we hope to have an FTA but short of Irish reunification it will mean a close and deep ‘FTA’ with little divergence otherwise the NI arrangements become even more complex and difficult to maintain.

Will probably pass given we have little option other than to pass it as all other options won’t happen but I doubt it will pass this month.

 

[mcfc1632]

This deal prolongs the agony.

That you think that I suggest will make a good number of posters feel quite positive about the deal

You seem less certain recently that Brexit is indeed going to be stopped - it is evident in the tone of your posts

 

[Vic]

His question was addressed to @Chippy_boy to be fair. And with that in mind, I think he's wrong as I don't think Chippy ever said we should simply cancel Brexit, and he's always been in favour of honouring the referendum result even though it's not the result he desired. What he did do is passionately argue the case for remaining being the better option - so much so, that I took a lot of what he said on board in the run-up to the vote and even though I still voted to leave, he put his points across in layman's terms - points that actually carried some validity, which is more than can be said for the Remain campaign itself which seemed not to focus on all the good things about EU membership but instead all the bad things that might happen if we left. Not that the Leave campaign was any better of course.

He can answer for himself but for "a devout remainer" who said "we've not lost yet" he sounds a bit of an apostate now. His only reason for not wanting the result of the referendum reversed was if it came at the price of a Corbyn government.

 

[inbetween]

But not the Benn act.

Parliament can move when it wants and at a pace it wants we got told when the Benn act went through in a day.

3 days is ample for a subject they have discussing for the last 3 years.

Get on with it.

I don't know why anyone has a problem, most of them have already decided on the deal so by logic they have surely already read it.

Corbyn is the fastest reader I know and managed to read it so fast that he had decided the oppositions policy just hours after the documents were published.

I also watched Parliament TV for 5 minutes yesterday and there was no bugger there so they don't seem up for debating it anyway.

 

[Coatigan]

Is it wrong to ask the people if they want this deal, now we finally have an idea what Brexit means? Other than Brexit.

The only arguement i've ever heard against this, is, it is undemocratic. When has being asked ever been undemocratic.

 

[M18CTID]

He can answer for himself but for "a devout remainer" who said "we've not lost yet" he sounds a bit of an apostate now. His only reason for not wanting the result of the referendum reversved was if it came at the price of a Corbyn government.

I'm sure he'll be along shortly to dispute that

 

[west didsblue]

So this wealth of new business will allow the Scottish nation to support the population as they do today? They get more per head than we do in England right now yet they still complain about being ruled by Westminster... I think they need to be very careful what they wish for

I used to live and work on Anglesey.. when any of the English lads moaned about living there the local lads would say "is the bridge closed?"

Your assumption that they'll see a massive influx post devolution is just as reliable as the scaremongers who say we'll be fucked if there's a no-deal.. the simple fact is that nobody knows

At present the vast majority of investment is in a couple of regions of England. Without frictionless access to the biggest local market, that investment will migrate to an area that does have that access. It's common sense. There are millions of Scoots that have relocated to England for better opportunities. If the opportunities start to improve north of the border there'll be no shortage of people willing to move to where the jobs and investment are.

 

[Hesperus]

I've no issue with a campaign to be a member of the EU or one to leave it.

Would you class a campaign to leave for the last 40 years the same as what remain MP's are doing now in Parliament?

You said accepting the result of the referendum would heal the nation. I’m disagreeing, how can it? Nearly 50’% didn’t want it. The nation will continue be divided over this for years to come. Just saying accept the result and move on is unrealistic.

 

[Vic]

Probably by respecting its democracy.

We had the union before we had democracy. It's "democracy" that will destroy the union.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I don't know why anyone has a problem, most of them have already decided on the deal so by logic they have surely already read it.

Corbyn is the fastest reader I know and managed to read it so fast that he had decided the oppositions policy just hours after the documents were published.

I also watched Parliament TV for 5 minutes yesterday and there was no bugger there so they don't seem up for debating it anyway.

As i have pointed out earlier in the thread .... Labour got wind of the high level details of the 'deal' at least the day before because Labour MP's were tweeting about it.

 

[Vic]

I've no issue with a campaign to be a member of the EU or one to leave it.

Would you class a campaign to leave for the last 40 years the same as what remain MP's are doing now in Parliament?

No, it was far more insidious.