Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

They were elected on that very principle. To suddenly decide they were "against it", when the Conservative PArty ran on an "get brexit done" policy, would to be deceiving the voters who elected them (see 2017).

They were being held to their oath when they became MP's of this Conservative Government. That IS democracy, and it is also treating the electorate with respect.

Oath? To The Fuhrer?

 

[dave_blue12]

Certainly feels that way from these sunny uplands of a stonking majority and no need to be fucked about by the likes of Soubry and Grieve

Give a thought to the 55.4% of the electorate who didn't vote Conservative

Just in case you didn't spot it that's a substantial majority

 

[Metal Biker]

Give a thought to the 55.4% of the electorate who didn't vote Conservative

Just in case you didn't spot it that's a substantial majority

Under our system, the 44.6% who did, it absolutely is a majority.

You only seem to like democracy when it suits. I guarentee you won't have quoted these figures after a similar Labour victory. It just stinks of entitlement.

 

[west didsblue]

Give a thought to the 55.4% of the electorate who didn't vote Conservative

Just in case you didn't spot it that's a substantial majority

56.4%.

If we’re treating that the same as some Brexiters are treating the SNP vote in Scotland, we’re leaving the EU against the wishes of the majority.

 

[dave_blue12]

Under our system, the 44.6% who did, it absolutely is a majority.

You only seem to like democracy when it suits. I guarentee you won't have quoted these figures after a similar Labour victory. It just stinks of entitlement.

So the losers are the winners, such is life

 

[Metal Biker]

So the losers are the winners, such is life

Under our democratic system, that ALL sides of the electoral establishment agreed upon prior to the vote.

This is not the United States. More's the pity.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Here's a conundrum for Remainers on here.

There are a few posters claiming that Leave gained less than 50% of the vote in the election. This is based on assuming Labour had a Remain policy. It didn't...it had some Remain / Leave mash up that was quite clearly a load of shite.

Hence an 80 seat Conservative majority :)

 

[blueparrot]

So the losers are the winners, such is life

Its not so much that the best losers get to lead the government that bothers me about our system. Its that they are allowed to totally disregard those others that represent the majority that is everything that is wrong with our system of democracy.

 

[Metal Biker]

Its not so much that the best losers get to lead the government that bothers me about our system. Its that they are allowed to totally disregard those others that represent the majority that is everything that is wrong with our system of democracy.

Yeah, just like those poor leave voting unionist, anti Scottish Independence Scots, eh?

 

[west didsblue]

Here's a conundrum for Remainers on here.

There are a few posters claiming that Leave gained less than 50% of the vote in the election. This is based on assuming Labour had a Remain policy. It didn't...it had some Remain / Leave mash up that was quite clearly a load of shite.

Hence an 80 seat Conservative majority :)

If you’re referring to me I’m not saying that. There’s no way of knowing because it wasn’t a referendum.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

If you’re referring to me I’m not saying that. There’s no way of knowing because it wasn’t a referendum.

That was a general comment & not aimed at anyone in particular.

 

[blueparrot]

Yeah, just like those poor leave voting unionist, anti Scottish Independence Scots, eh?

If you are talking Scotland then it isn’t FPTP. Which is why they need support from other parties. At the moment the Greens. So no not just like Scotland. And all but one Scottish government has been a coalition. Not sure why you are going on about Scotland though when I was talking about an obviously unfair UK Westminster system where Liberals can increase their vote by 4% and get less seats while the Conservatives and SNP increase theirs by 1% and have big increases in seats and power. Its simply wrong.

 

[dave_blue12]

Under our democratic system, that ALL sides of the electoral establishment agreed upon prior to the vote.

This is not the United States. More's the pity.

You know that Trump also polled less votes than Hillary Clinton.

Anway 'the will of the people' will be enacted.

 

[Metal Biker]

If you are talking Scotland then it isn’t FPTP. Which is why they need support from other parties. At the moment the Greens. So no not just like Scotland. And all but one Scottish government has been a coalition. Not sure why you are going on about Scotland though when I was talking about an obviously unfair UK Westminster system where Liberals can increase their vote by 4% and get less seats while the Conservatives and SNP increase theirs by 1% and have big increases in seats and power. Its simply wrong.

You mean that same unfair Westminster system which saw 1.24m SNP votes return 48 MP's whilst 3.69m Lib Dem votes returned 11?
Are you advocating that the SNP have no mandate in anything they announce as a result of the unfairness of FPTP?
You have nothing to complain about the system when it suits you, do you really.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

You know that Trump also polled less votes than Hillary Clinton.

Anway 'the will of the people' will be enacted.

You also know that most political commentators were saying before Trump was elected that Clinton had the built in advantage? The electoral college wasn't a straight who got the most votes system.

 

[blueparrot]

You mean that same unfair Westminster system which saw 1.24m SNP votes return 48 MP's whilst 3.69m Lib Dem votes returned 11?
Are you advocating that the SNP have no mandate in anything they announce as a result of the unfairness of FPTP?
You have nothing to complain about the system when it suits you, do you really.

Yes that system. Why you think its a fair and good one, doesn't sound like it. You’ve just mentioned 5 million voters that have no real representation in parliament because they can be ignored by a government with no intention of listening to their opinions.

 

[Metal Biker]

You know that Trump also polled less votes than Hillary Clinton.

Anway 'the will of the people' will be enacted.

You believe that high population metropolitan areas should have supremacy over sparsely populated areas?

Now you're sounding like an elitist! The system in America works to reflect the population numbers. Not every single state has an equal number of representatives. California has more that Nevada, in reference to it's higher population numbers.

You have no argument that makes any logical sense beyond "it simply isn't fair" when it absolutely is and has been studied to be fair. Nobody complained about the electoral college/popular vote under other presidential elections, did they. Yours is a tantrum like response.

The will of the majority of the voting public will be enacted. You need to accept that.

 

[dave_blue12]

You also know that most political commentators were saying before Trump was elected that Clinton had the built in advantage? The electoral college wasn't a straight who got the most votes system.

And your point is ?

 

[Metal Biker]

Yes that system. Why you think its a fair and good one, doesn't sound like it. You’ve just mentioned 5 million voters that have no real representation in parliament because they can be ignored by a government with no intention of listening to their opinions.

And as I said, your own Scottish Parliament is doing a grand job of representing the 55% who voted to remain in the UK, haven't they.

 

[dave_blue12]

You believe that high population metropolitan areas should have supremacy over sparsely populated areas?

Now you're sounding like an elitist! The system in America works to reflect the population numbers. Not every single state has an equal number of representatives. California has more that Nevada, in reference to it's higher population numbers.

You have no argument that makes any logical sense beyond "it simply isn't fair" when it absolutely is and has been studied to be fair. Nobody complained about the electoral college/popular vote under other presidential elections, did they. Yours is a tantrum like response.

The will of the majority of the voting public will be enacted. You need to accept that.

So the candidate with less votes wins

Okay