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kevin horlocks wand said:
you will accept whatever the government does until you win an election. That’s how it works
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Stuff that. We'd still have the poll tax on that basis, and we'd have gone to war with Syria (but for the earlier protests against war with Iraq).

(Actually we would have got rid of the poll tax but the Tories did it themselves using what's become the Johnson argument that only the Tories can ckean up their own mess.)
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Absolutely, but we can only spend what we can afford. If brexit is going to hit the country in the pocket asgard as the doom mongers are saying, then surely it's only prudent to tighten up on the money we give away in the short term at least?
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Well its hit us in the pocket to the tune of £130 billion so far ....and we're about to spaff another £500,000 to get a bell to ring
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Well its hit us in the pocket to the tune of £130 billion so far ....and we're about to spaff another £500,000 to get a bell to ring
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Not sure we are tbh.The bell ringing thing is just stupid. As most brexiteers say we all now need to accept and get behind brexit. The big ben thing is just a way of rubbing remainers noses in it and pissing them off.I'm pleased brexit is happening, but I'd rather have a celebration to mark the tenth anniversary of brexit in a decades time. If it's gone well then I'm sure we'd all be happy to hear big ben ring out. As it is, it seems quite a few people campaigning to defend our 'right' to hear big ben at the end of the month are the same ones that would defend Tommy Robinsons right to protest outside a mosque.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Not sure we are tbh.The bell ringing thing is just stupid. As most brexiteers say we all now need to accept and get behind brexit. The big ben thing is just a way of rubbing remainers noses in it and pissing them off.I'm pleased brexit is happening, but I'd rather have a celebration to mark the tenth anniversary of brexit in a decades time. If it's gone well then I'm sure we'd all be happy to hear big ben ring out. As it is, it seems quite a few people campaigning to defend our 'right' to hear big ben at the end of the month are the same ones that would defend Tommy Robinsons right to protest outside a mosque.
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Front page of the Express today .....

https://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
It means having money and not allowed to argue the case for a more equal society. If you're like me and don't have a few quid and part of the working class then just replace champagne socialist with the politics of envy.
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Sir Ian Duncan-Smith, ex-Tory leader, been in Parliament for years, establishment figure who rolled out UC despite knowing that it would plunge countless people into further poverty, homelessness and in extreme cases suicide, who’s successor was found to mislead Parliament on the matter. So clears doesn’t give a monkey’s about those at the bottom = definitely not a champagne socialist. Maybe just champagne for him

Lily Allen - a singer, who’s dad has a few quid uses her, pretty small, platform to raise awareness and potentially campaign for those worse off. For some reason gets up the nose of certain people = bad. Definitely a champagne socialist

I couldn’t tell you 3 Lily Allen records if you put a gun to my head, but putting that aside I’d rather have those with a platform and a few quid standing up for me that live in a country full of the likes of Ian Duncan-Smith. But I suppose he supports Brexit so nothing else matters

All very odd
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Fuck me. There it is again.
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As I have said before - there will be no need to remind people of this absolute fact if there was not continued demonstration that some posters still do not understand or accept it

As every week goes by and there is more evidence that it is and always has been, spot on then I guess people will stop, well, getting it wrong

Anyway - why am I replying to you? - you have again demonstrated your inconsistency and bias as you have not replied to the continued repetition of:
Vic said:

Why would Remainers need to campaign for EFTA? After all, staying in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border was an official Leave campaign promise. Instead we got "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal" - a betrayal of that promise. (I hoped never again to mention that promise of the FTZFITTRB - but if people post daft stuff....)​
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When you start to show some consistency and balance - please get back to me
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
What like the French do ...... 60 weeks of protest.... no mate ...we will end up the same.
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The masses are not going to protest for 60 weeks on the streets because the foreign aid budget has been reduced.

I will tell you what if the foreign aid budget is reduced and you and vic don’t like that you could start a crowd funding campaign to plug the gap. I hear they are all the rage at the moment.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
The masses are not going to protest for 60 weeks on the streets because the foreign aid budget has been reduced.

I will tell you what if the foreign aid budget is reduced and you and vic don’t like that you could start a crowd funding campaign to plug the gap. I hear they are all the rage at the moment.
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Removal of the foreign aid budget will suit a fair number of xenophobic brexiteers .... however what they fail to realise is that improving the lot of the population of poor countries will dampen their desire to migrate.

Expect a lot more illegal immigrants if the budget and the Department for International Development are scrapped. Once again the UK will be looking inwards,
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Removal of the foreign aid budget will suit a fair number of xenophobic brexiteers .... however what they fail to realise is that improving the lot of the population of poor countries will dampen their desire to migrate.

Expect a lot more illegal immigrants if the budget and the Department for International Development are scrapped. Once again the UK will be looking inwards,
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nice use of language to exaggerate a point.

reduce v remove.
 
TheBlueDune said:
But how will it affect the real issues?

House prices
Diana was murdered
Maddy found
Brrrr blizzards on the way
Phew heatwave BBQ summer

That's what the express readers want to know
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Brilliant new drug to cure stupidity developed.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
You've made a statement that I'm asking you to back up with fact and as of now you refuse to do so repeatedly. No problem admitting when I'm ill educated on a matter, but you've made a statement that makes no sense and refuse to explain what you mean or back it up with fact.

At least some brexiteers on here have the courtesy to explain their beliefs even if I may not agree with them.
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Ok - happy to discuss this in as much detail as you like. Apologies if I was coming across a bit dismissive yesterday - I thought that you were just being deliberately obtuse - as some are wont to be

Any way - brief response as just travelling to one of the EU's other members - while there are no restrictions;-)

Our exchange started because you posted:

2. Net immigration is higher from the rest of the world than the EU, shouldn't we look to control this first?

To which I asked if:
You do understand that FOM commits member states to acting with discrimination don't you?

At the time there were pages of debate about the rights of UK citizens moving to the EU after Brexit so I found this question not receiving agreement particularly puzzling.

But just a quick bit of context and I will pick up later when at the other end.

1. If I am a fully qualified clinician from Dubai have I exactly the same opportunity to come and work and settle in the UK as if I was an equally qualified clinician from an EU country? ?

2. If I am a fully qualified clinician from Dubai have I exactly the same opportunity to come and work and settle in the UK as if I was a wholly unqualified individual from an EU country ??

3. If the infrastructure of an EU nation places a finite limit on the total number of immigrants that can be accommodated, but the nation must adhere to FOM - where will the focus of cuts be ?? (there is obviously a clue in your question above)

I will pick it up with you later

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mcfc1632 said:
Ok - happy to discuss this in as much detail as you like. Apologies if I was coming across a bit dismissive yesterday - I thought that you were just being deliberately obtuse - as some are wont to be

Any way - brief response as just travelling to one of the EU's other members - while there are no restrictions;-)

Our exchange started because you posted:

2. Net immigration is higher from the rest of the world than the EU, shouldn't we look to control this first?​

To which I asked if:​
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You do understand that FOM commits member states to acting with discrimination don't you? ​

At the time there were pages of debate about the rights of UK citizens moving to the EU after Brexit so I found this question not receiving agreement particularly puzzlement.

But just a quick bit of context and I will pick up later when at the other end.

1. If I am a fully qualified clinician from Dubai have I exactly the same opportunity to come and work and settle in the UK as if I was an equally qualified clinician ??

2. If I am a fully qualified clinician from Dubai have I exactly the same opportunity to come and work and settle in the UK as if I was a wholly unqualified individual ??

3. If the infrastructure of an EU nation places a finite limit on the total number of immigrants that can be accommodated, but must adhere to FOM - where will the focus of cuts be ?? (there is obviously a clue in your question above)

I will pick it up with you later

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So in summary it's the UK's immigration system discriminating those people. We are the ones making it more difficult to enter the country for those outside of the EU.

I really don't see how this can be pinned on the EU being discriminatory. You might not like FOM which is fair enough dependant on your views of immigration, but to say this is the fault of the EU being discriminatory is extremely unfair.

You also seem to forget that we have higher net immigration into the country from non EU countries than we do with EU countries.
 
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