Another new Brexit thread

[kevin horlocks wand]

Be thankful we are now 4 days past planes being grounded and/or falling from the sky as they where to be refused permission to land.

my supergonerea is still a bit red, the itching has gone down though.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Just a thought after reading the last few pages on here - wouldn’t it be an idea to wait a while before claiming success/failure?
4 days seems quite a small sample size to me.

Is a very fair point.

 

[mcfc1632]

I can’t believe they are still campaigning to stay in the eu customs union and the single market

Yet - they are

I genuinely feel that for some it is an attitude based on not wanting to lose face rather than clear thinking

 

[blueinsa]

I thought that we all voted ?

What has followed is the result of democracy being enacted

Dirty word is democracy.

Treaties are the way to go and if you dont like everything in them you can beg for an opt out.

Much better than letting us plebs decide on our own futures.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I think that he is your stalker

He will be back in 2 months needing the fix he gets from you

I see the thread has jumped loads in 18 hours. Click show ignored content and find MCFC1632 posting his usual waffle.

I haven’t read anything credible from you ever, so it’s no surprise you are blowing smoke up a fellow angry, condescending know it all poster.

For someone who has so much expertise in the art of negotiating, you lack the ability to listen to the counter argument nor the people skills to have a balanced discussion.

You may not have the most number of posts on this thread, but it’s a dead cert that you have written the most words.

 

[blueinsa]

Just a thought after reading the last few pages on here - wouldn’t it be an idea to wait a while before claiming success/failure?
4 days seems quite a small sample size to me.

They are on a roll and something bad happening they predicted has too happen soon....surely.....it just has to......right?

 

[blueinsa]

my supergonerea is still a bit red, the itching has gone down though.

I would say take some antibiotics mate but apparently the country has just run out.........

 

[mcfc1632]

I am not complaining about it , I am just pointing out the fact that it’s eu barriers.

I am responding to the whining.

I am perfectly aware of the position.

You have been simply pointing out facts - proper weird this need to twist the words of others

 

[Metal Biker]

my supergonerea is still a bit red, the itching has gone down though.

I'd like to know how I can get back the £4,300 that has suddenly gone missing.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

They are on a roll and something bad happening they predicted has too happen soon....surely.....it just has to......right?

As long as it's not DC's prediction of Brexit starting WW3.

 

[west didsblue]

Dirty word is democracy.

Treaties are the way to go and if you dont like everything in them you can beg for an opt out.

Much better than letting us plebs decide on our own futures.

Why is democracy a dirty word.
We voted out, we're out. That's job done as far as the vote and the consequence of the vote is concerned.

It's what happens next that is being discussed. People who voted leave shouldn't have a monopoly on how Brexit gets enacted from here. I believe most people would rather the driving factor is what's best for the country not Dominic Cummings' wet dream as to what he thinks Brexit should mean.

 

[stonerblue]

Hey - I was just responding to how your post made you look - I can understand if you now regret making yourself look like that

jesus fucking christ. Can't or won't read?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

it’s you and your remain pack that are moaning and whining. I could not give a shit. It’s a fact that the barrier is an eu barrier.

the only moaning and whining I will do is if Boris accepts the eu outrageous proposal that now a condition to a deal that we now have left it’s a conditional a trade agreement that an independent sovereign state has to accept and follow the rules and laws (including its court) of a body it’s not part of.

Have you ever thought of taking a post with the Conservatives PR department ..... they are spouting this crap as well ......


Any friction in trade is a direct result of the action we as a country have taken. respect the Eu for wanting to maintain their 'level playing field' for controlling standards, for wanting to understand country of origin, for wanting to understand the where the ingredients of medicines were manufactured, for wanting to know where animals had been to control stuff like BSE , not want GM foodstuffs to enter the food chain


As Ive said before we will trade with them on their terms ...... not ours ..... if indeed we do at all

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Be thankful we are now 4 days past planes being grounded and/or falling from the sky as they where to be refused permission to land.

WE. ARE. NOT. OUT. YET.


Just for clarity

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

And again neither of whom have frictionless trade with the EU. Both have substantial non tariff barriers. In fact on Canada "European exports to Canada have soared since CETA, but regulatory barriers still block trade in the other direction"

Not tariffs but regulatory barriers. Similar barriers that we will face under a basic FTA. To reduce barriers you need to align. The more you align the less the barriers. It’s a very simple equation.

Yes - I think the best example is the EU / Turkey trade deal which avoids this by agreeing alignment in specific areas. There is a lot of trade between the EU and Turkey and most falls within a limited free trade deal. There is customs checks but no tariffs and there is regulatory alignment that links with the free trade. Based on BJs speech this week we are set to have a worse trade deal with Turkey. As he refuses to align.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Yes - I think the best example is the EU / Turkey trade deal which avoids this by agreeing alignment in specific areas. There is a lot of trade between the EU and Turkey and most falls within a limited free trade deal. There is customs checks but no tariffs and there is regulatory alignment that links with the free trade. Based on BJs speech this week we are set to have a worse trade deal with Turkey. As he refuses to align.

Thats a very long way of saying 'We are f@cked'

 

[Metal Biker]

WE. ARE. NOT. OUT. YET.


Just for clarity

YES. WE. ARE.

We're negotiating an FTA whilst keeping some of the rules temporarily. That is why it is called the "transition period".

 

[carlosthejackal]

No-deal Brexit / WTO tariffs paid by importers of UK exports:


Beef 84%

Cheese 57%

Wheat 53%

Butter 48%

Lamb 48%

Pork 30%

Potatoes 11.5%

Fish 9.6%


Current EU membership tariffs:


Beef 0%

Cheese 0%

Wheat 0%

Butter 0%

Lamb 0%

Pork 0%

Potatoes 0%

Fish 0%


Spot the problem.

 

[Vic]

It's as though we didn't really mean it.

I take it we are all agreed that the liars didn't mean it that we'd still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border.

 

[Vic]

Just imagine how people feel when they see UK citizens seemingly preferring to wish for outcomes that are bad for the UK simply so they can score a cheap point on a football forum - now that really should get on your tits - it certainly gets on mine.

Thankfully it is only some of the Remainers

Yesterday it was "the vast majority".