Another new Brexit thread

[Tb1981]

Fucking irony of this post.

No shortage of Brexiteer “victims” of supposed Remainer obstructive behaviour. You really don’t have to look far.

I would normally advise you where to stick your candle but as it’s your birthday you might need it for your cake.

Don’t worry we got plenty more candles for you

 

[Tb1981]

It's you saying all this though, not brexiteers. On the whole they seem pretty upbeat. Whether they are right or not only time will tell I suppose, but you seem to be trying to construct a liverpudlian victimhood for yourself. It's my birthday tomorrow so I'll light you a candle.x

Some people just want it to fail at any cost
They actively seek out articles to prove themselves right
I get yes they think it will be shit, but they ain’t willing to even wait and see.
Pathetic really

 

[west didsblue]

Some people just want it to fail at any cost
They actively seek out articles to prove themselves right
I get yes they think it will be shit, but they ain’t willing to even wait and see.
Pathetic really

What’s pathetic is people like you sitting there quite happy to see how it all works out when it’s abundantly clear to anyone who has paid even the slightest bit of attention that absolutely nothing has been put in place and our current government is headed up by a bunch of incompetents that couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. On the other hand, it’s what you voted for and I understand that it’s really difficult for some people to recognise that they’ve fucked up, and would rather shift the blame for any negative impact to others.

 

[Vic]

That is utter bollocks

There was zero planning for Brexit!!

Cameron was PM and would not allow planning for a successful referendum outcome - Cameron was a Remainer

May was PM and Hammond Chancellor - they spent 3 years kotowing to the EU and not commissioning No-Deal planning - May and Hammond are Remainers Remainer

At what point do you accept the truth and stop with the spin

I agree that planning for all Leave scenarios should have started 4 fucking years ago - it was prevented by Remainers

Blaming Remainers again...

Why would remainers have a plan? You only need look at the faces of Johnson and Gove on referendum night to know who's to blame for not having a plan (on the tactic of, as Cummings said, swerving the campaign away from any thought of what comes next).

 

[Vic]

Some people just want it to fail at any cost
They actively seek out articles to prove themselves right
I get yes they think it will be shit, but they ain’t willing to even wait and see.
Pathetic really

Mcfc1632 even posted an article about something going wrong because in his polluted mind it meant the EU was worried.

We're all worried - except Brexit fanboys happy to let chaos ensue.

What is "it" we want to fail?

More to the point, what is "it" you want to succeed? I really don't think you know. If you do know, I know it will be some unicorn cake and eat it fantasy that never really amounted to "a plan".

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Some people just want it to fail at any cost
They actively seek out articles to prove themselves right
I get yes they think it will be shit, but they ain’t willing to even wait and see.
Pathetic really

Wanting it to fail and knowing it will fail are two different things. What I want at this point is for those who got us to this point to accept the reality and accept responsibility. Many are still in la la land but the end game is fast approaching - 6 months and we will know where we end up - 12 months and we will know what that means for us. The question is will those that inflicted it on us accept the reality at that point. A bit like hoping your alcoholic relative accepts they have a problem and they need help, they may need to end up in hospital first and you hope they react in the right way.

 

[mcfc1632]

I'm not sure there is much complaining from brexiteers tbh.

Correct - there is no/little complaining by Leavers with regard to the current conduct of the negotiations (I just hope the Johnson does not get involved) - but there is a lot of effort to suggest there is by desperate Remainers.

What there has been - because we place such importance on care in the community - has been recognition that some hard of understanding Remainers cannot process simple facts and therefore efforts are made to provide explanation in simple sentences/short words.

Simple facts like:

Who prevented No-Deal planning in 2016 - answer - Cameron - a Remainer
Who prevented No-Deal planning in 2017 - answer - May and Hammond - Remainers
Who prevented No-Deal planning in 2018 - answer - May and Hammond - Remainers
Who prevented No-Deal planning in 2019 - answer - May and Hammond - Remainers

Inconvenient truths are a bugbear for Remainers it seems

 

[Vic]

Correct - there is no/little complaining by Leavers with regard to the current conduct of the negotiations (I just hope the Johnson does not get involved) - but there is a lot of effort to suggest there is by desperate Remainers.

What there has been - because we place such importance on care in the community - has been recognition that some hard of understanding Remainers cannot process simple facts and therefore efforts are made to provide explanation in simple sentences/short words.

Simple facts like:

Who prevented No-Deal planning in 2016 - answer - a Remainer
Who prevented No-Deal planning in 2017 - answer - a Remainer
Who prevented No-Deal planning in 2018 - answer - a Remainer
Who prevented No-Deal planning in 2019 - answer - a Remainer

Inconvenient truths are a bugbear for Remainers it seems

Leaver Davis showing his plan to the EU.


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rprepared-david-davis-michel-barnier-eu#img-1

And when Johnson said leaving without a deal was a million to one against, was that to reassure voters or a subtle Leaver plan for leaving with no deal?

 

[carlosthejackal]

Why would anybody believe that Johnson and co will succeed in a successful Brexit after the ineptitude shown in dealing with Covid ?

 

[Vic]

Is it worse to make a mess of something unexpected or something you've been planning for four years?

Or not planning...

 

[BobKowalski]

The lies keep on coming...

 

[Phil1]

This thread is now basically Rocky V Apollo Creed where both fighters are stood in the middle of the ring trading punches whilst dead on their feet. You know somebody will eventually fall and that it'll be the good guy who wins.
The problem is deciding who's Rocky and who's Creed...

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

This thread is now basically Rocky V Apollo Creed where both fighters are stood in the middle of the ring trading punches whilst dead on their feet. You know somebody will eventually fall and that it'll be the good guy who wins.
The problem is deciding who's Rocky and who's Creed...

Worth bearing in mind that both were gobshites

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Fucking irony of this post.

No shortage of Brexiteer “victims” of supposed Remainer obstructive behaviour. You really don’t have to look far.

I would normally advise you where to stick your candle but as it’s your birthday you might need it for your cake.

Always offended - it's never your fault.

 

[Phil1]

Worth bearing in mind that both were gobshites

You probably cheered on Mr T and Ivan Drago you wrong'un! Haha!

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

The lies keep on coming...

Was just going to post this. The detail of this exchange says it all.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...controls-sammy-wilson-tells-mps-39312294.html

Wilson:- I have in my hand a letter received by the management of the Port of Larne only this week stating that they have to prepare to become a border control post and fourteen acres has been looked at for car parking or for lorry parking and for construction. Proposals have to be with the UK by the end of the month.

Johnson: I haven't seen the letter.... I can tell him absolutely, categorically that there will be no new customs infrastructure

This is exactly what we have been saying for months - Johnsons plan (no deal or otherwise) requires customs borders and controls at NI/UK and all mainland UK/EU ports. It needs physical space and infrastructure and people to run the processes. Here we have a UK port having the first scrap of evidence that this is going to happen and Johnson denies any knowledge of it and claims it is un-necessary.

This can only be wilful incompetence (refusing to acknowledge that things need to be done and therefore not dealing with them) or base level incompetence (maybe he genuinely just isn't aware of what is going on or what he signed up to).

 

[BobKowalski]

Some people just want it to fail at any cost
They actively seek out articles to prove themselves right
I get yes they think it will be shit, but they ain’t willing to even wait and see.
Pathetic really

To be honest I don’t have to actively seek out articles. I just read the Financial Times.

‘A report by the Bank of America says ‘We believe sterling is evolving into a currency that resembles the underlying reality of the British economy: small and shrinking with a growing dual deficit problem.’ Source FT.

 

[west didsblue]

Always offended - it's never your fault.

A tedious Scouse themed insult is a clear admission that you haven’t a response other than a bit of trolling.
You crack on,

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

To be honest I don’t have to actively seek out articles. I just read the Financial Times.

‘A report by the Bank of America says ‘We believe sterling is evolving into a currency that resembles the underlying reality of the British economy: small and shrinking with a growing dual deficit problem.’ Source FT.

I think it is more a case of some deliberately swerving the mountains of evidence that brexit will be a disaster. Boris Johnson is one in that camp as per the exchange at PMQs.

 

[BigOscar]

I think it is more a case of some deliberately swerving the mountains of evidence that brexit will be a disaster. Boris Johnson is one in that camp as per the exchange at PMQs.

They were promised unicorns, if they don't get unicorns it will be because someone did something wrong, not that expecting unicorns was obviously never going to happen in the first place