Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

Otherwise known as EFTA of which we were a co-founder. Source Minister for the European Neighbourhood & The Americas. That’s a lot of area to cover.

‘The UK has moved into formal negotiations with Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland on ambitious future relationships after months of close working between our countries. Looking forward to building partnerships to strengthen the excellent cooperation we already share.’

Source for the source?

 

[west didsblue]

Otherwise known as EFTA of which we were a co-founder. Source Minister for the European Neighbourhood & The Americas. That’s a lot of area to cover.

‘The UK has moved into formal negotiations with Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland on ambitious future relationships after months of close working between our countries. Looking forward to building partnerships to strengthen the excellent cooperation we already share.’

Hopefully we’ll join EFTA and gain single market access via that route. If it happens, and I sincerely hope that it does, I look forward to Johnson pretending it’s what we wanted all along. If we add a Turkey style customs arrangement for goods (handy euphemism for a customs union) then it’s job done. Certainly sounds better that the other option euphemistically termed an Australia type deal. With that the Brexiteers can claim victory and say they were right all along that there’d only be a limited impact. That’s fine by me.

 

[Ban-jani]

Hopefully we’ll join EFTA and gain single market access via that route. If it happens, and I sincerely hope that it does, I look forward to Johnson pretending it’s what we wanted all along. If we add a Turkey style customs arrangement for goods (handy euphemism for a customs union) then it’s job done. Certainly sounds better that the other option euphemistically termed an Australia type deal. With that the Brexiteers can claim victory and say they were right all along that there’d only be a limited impact. That’s fine by me.

There’s zero chance of us joining EFTA as it includes FoM.

He just won’t do it as he’ll be toast and his entire purpose is to keep himself in the top job.

 

[BobKowalski]

Hopefully we’ll join EFTA and gain single market access via that route. If it happens, and I sincerely hope that it does, I look forward to Johnson pretending it’s what we wanted all along. If we add a Turkey style customs arrangement for goods (handy euphemism for a customs union) then it’s job done. Certainly sounds better that the other option euphemistically termed an Australia type deal. With that the Brexiteers can claim victory and say they were right all along that there’d only be a limited impact. That’s fine by me.

Kind of ironic if we did given we co-founded the organisation in the Sixties because we were worried about the EEC, abandoned it in the Seventies to join the EEC as EFTA was not really cutting it, and then rejoin in the 2020’s while pretending it’s what we wanted all along.

Either way we will spend the next few years spending a fortune to erect trade barriers then spend the next decade negotiating to reduce those trade barriers because it was a dumb idea to begin with. We are doomed to travel for eternity in ever decreasing circles.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Hopefully we’ll join EFTA and gain single market access via that route. If it happens, and I sincerely hope that it does, I look forward to Johnson pretending it’s what we wanted all along. If we add a Turkey style customs arrangement for goods (handy euphemism for a customs union) then it’s job done. Certainly sounds better that the other option euphemistically termed an Australia type deal. With that the Brexiteers can claim victory and say they were right all along that there’d only be a limited impact. That’s fine by me.

Absolutely no chance of an EFTA.

 

[west didsblue]

There’s zero chance of us joining EFTA as it includes FoM.

He just won’t do it as he’ll be toast and his entire purpose is to keep himself in the top job.

Absolutely no chance of an EFTA.

Agreed.

It would be nice if he did it though.

 

[blueinsa]

Regardless of what? Of any consequences?

I was certainly never going to accept the consequence of us ignoring the vote to leave Vic.

Brexit will be judged over the coming years and if its shit then parliament and the country can decide to change its mind and rejoin.

In the meantime we have left, as per the vote and lets hope its a success.

You do want it to be a success dont you Vic as id hate to think you would prefer it to be a shit show just so you can wail a bit more on a football forum?

 

[mat]

Well worth it...

 

[BobKowalski]

I was certainly never going to accept the consequence of us ignoring the vote to leave Vic.

Brexit will be judged over the coming years and if its shit then parliament and the country can decide to change its mind and rejoin.

In the meantime we have left, as per the vote and lets hope its a success.

You do want it to be a success dont you Vic as id hate to think you would prefer it to be a shit show just so you can wail a bit more on a football forum?

It will be shit. Raising trade barriers, increasing administrative burdens, duplicating regulations during a pandemic which has already knackered the economy is so monumentally dumb it will become a text book case for historians on how a country can willingly fuck itself in the arse.

The economic argument for Brexit was always illiterate nonsense. Now it’s just wilful stupidity.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well worth it...

Still have no idea why they refuse to call it EFTA. Also, this was all meant to be done by March 2019.

 

[Vic]

I was certainly never going to accept the consequence of us ignoring the vote to leave Vic.

Brexit will be judged over the coming years and if its shit then parliament and the country can decide to change its mind and rejoin.

In the meantime we have left, as per the vote and lets hope its a success.

You do want it to be a success dont you Vic as id hate to think you would prefer it to be a shit show just so you can wail a bit more on a football forum?

What Bob said. If there was even a remote chance of its being a success, I'd be neutral, but you can't be neutral about a shitshow, regardless of how it came about.

 

[west didsblue]

Still have no idea why they refuse to call it EFTA. Also, this was all meant to be done by March 2019.

Maybe because too many people know that EFTA membership is EU membership in all but name, so we’re going for EFTA membership in all but name for a bit of (im)plausible deniability that they’ve sold out.

 

[blueinsa]

What Bob said. If there was even a remote chance of its being a success, I'd be neutral, but you can't be neutral about a shitshow, regardless of how it came about.

Time will tell but even if it turns out to be the best thing we ever did, i dont expect you on here admitting you got it wrong.

 

[BobKowalski]

Maybe because too many people know that EFTA membership is EU membership in all but name, so we’re going for EFTA membership in all but name for a bit of (im)plausible deniability that they’ve sold out.

Anything is possible I guess. Other weird thing is touting that it’s worth £66 billion. Well, yes, but that is because we are all in the Single Market which we are leaving, so what we are really doing is negotiating additional trade barriers with these countries to reduce that amount.

‘This trade is important to us, so let’s reduce it!’

Really fucking weird that everyone just nods along with this stupidity.

 

[BobKowalski]

Time will tell but even if it turns out to be the best thing we ever did, i dont expect you on here admitting you got it wrong.

Time won’t tell. I can tell you know. If you increase trade barriers, you make trade more difficult and expensive to transact which in turn impacts negatively on the country. There is no way you can escape or argue away this fact.

Before Brexit we didn’t need five fuck off lorry parks in Kent. After Brexit we need five fuck off lorry parks. I mean, hello? Is there anyone home?

 

[west didsblue]

Anything is possible I guess. Other weird thing is touting that it’s worth £66 billion. Well, yes, but that is because we are all in the Single Market which we are leaving, so what we are really doing is negotiating additional trade barriers with these countries to reduce that amount.

‘This trade is important to us, so let’s reduce it!’

Really fucking weird that everyone just nods along with this stupidity.

Apparently Liechtenstein is the world's major producer of false teeth so good news for all those truck drivers when their teeth fall out after spending weeks in Kent lorry parks filling in customs forms and eating Yorkies.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The five lorry parks seem a bit optimistic considering how hard trade with the EU will be hit by brexit. I think we'll be lucky to see any lorries at all. Still, I suppose construction of them and staffing the extra customs infrastructure will create a lot of jobs.

 

[blueinsa]

I don't know how some climb out from under their duvets in the morning on here?

 

[BobKowalski]

The five lorry parks seem a bit optimistic considering how hard trade with the EU will be hit by brexit. I think we'll be lucky to see any lorries at all. Still, I suppose construction of them and staffing the extra customs infrastructure will create a lot of jobs.

12 lorry parks. 5 just in Kent. And yes creating an army of jobsworths checking everything will be a great boost to the economy. It will be so good I’m surprised every other country doesn’t do the same instead of diligently working away to do the exact opposite in reducing trade barriers and eliminating its army of jobsworths.

Instead of FTA’s and free trade ambitions we could propose Erecting Trade Barrier Agreements and hold seminars on how to increase administrative burden and red tape on private businesses.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I still can't see any sense in these lorry parks if trade with the EU is going to be so hard hit and difficult. Absolute waste as there is going to be so little trade.