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As much as Redwood is a complete and utter shitehawk, surely this is a wind up.
He's a backbench MP / minister without portfolio. If it exists his letter means no more than you or me sending Biden a good luck card. If it's real it's either a stunt to gee up the ERG or troll Remainers (I suspect a bit of both).
 
He's a backbench MP / minister without portfolio. If it exists his letter means no more than you or me sending Biden a good luck card. If it's real it's either a stunt to gee up the ERG or troll Remainers (I suspect a bit of both).

I suspect it’s neither, more likely to be the product of someone who believes himself to be more significant than he really is
 
No I think Johnson was desperately hoping for a Trump win which would have been sufficient to muddy the waters about a future US trade deal and make it easier to sell his EU hard line. That’s gone now and he’s between a rock and a hard place.
Nah. There really is a rizzla paper between Biden's policies and Johnson's. No matter what the Remaniacs think trying to get us to kowtow and keep us under the thumb of the EU.
 
We're going to get handbagged.
Well that would be stupid as the UK generally supports the US- probably one of the very few countries in the world that do so.
The reason? A similar outlook on the world between our peoples and politicians.
Trump has tried his best to screw it up, but it has survived him.
 
I expect it to put additional pressure on the current stalemate over LPF and fish. In a no deal outcome then the WA and NI protocols still apply. If we start backtracking on those signed commitments, and put Dublin in a difficult position on the land border, that is where it will get difficult for the UK. Alienating our closest neighbours and what we like to think of as our ‘greatest ally’ against a backdrop of a pandemic is not the place we want to be.

The other factor is that the UK is not of greater or lesser importance to the US than Germany or France. The US under Biden will want good relations with all these countries and see the EU as an important part of that relationship. Biden regards Brexit as a mistake, but a Brexit that does not disrupt the EU or Dublin or cause any waves is not going to be a problem. In short, Brexit if you must, it’s your funeral after all, just behave yourselves while you do it.
In your dreams maybe.
 
Nah. There really is a rizzla paper between Biden's policies and Johnson's. No matter what the Remaniacs think trying to get us to kowtow and keep us under the thumb of the EU.
Economically yes but when it comes to foreign policy, especially EU and RoI relations I disagree entirely.
 
Nah. There really is a rizzla paper between Biden's policies and Johnson's. No matter what the Remaniacs think trying to get us to kowtow and keep us under the thumb of the EU.

The laugh is whatever you may think Anorak we are of little interest to Biden. Johnsons "part Kenyon president " comment is coming around to bite him on the arse with Bidens election. Today Lord Racist of the UUP insulted Harris. The UK are driving a political wedge between the two countries.

If what the Swiss Cheese monger assumes happens and trade continues unabated then Biden can concentrate on domestic issues like Covid and the US economy and leave us dangling. Why give Johnson something to boast about when you hate the mans very bones and by ignoring him you don't harm your own economic interests anyway?
 
The laugh is whatever you may think Anorak we are of little interest to Biden. Johnsons "part Kenyon president " comment is coming around to bite him on the arse with Bidens election. Today Lord Racist of the UUP insulted Harris. The UK are driving a political wedge between the two countries.

If what the Swiss Cheese monger assumes happens and trade continues unabated then Biden can concentrate on domestic issues like Covid and the US economy and leave us dangling. Why give Johnson something to boast about when you hate the mans very bones and by ignoring him you don't harm your own economic interests anyway?
We aren't dangling. There never was a us trade deal. It's bollocks that was initially spouted by brexiteers, and led to the cries of NHS privatisation and chlorinated chicken. The deal we've never had and are not getting is now apparently a consequence of brexit. US trade will just trundle on as it always had without one.
I doubt Biden cares very much about Boris or the UK as we don't really matter outside of intelligence and defence interests. The idea of Trump and Boris conspiring together is for the birds too.
 
The laugh is whatever you may think Anorak we are of little interest to Biden. Johnsons "part Kenyon president " comment is coming around to bite him on the arse with Bidens election. Today Lord Racist of the UUP insulted Harris. The UK are driving a political wedge between the two countries.

If what the Swiss Cheese monger assumes happens and trade continues unabated then Biden can concentrate on domestic issues like Covid and the US economy and leave us dangling. Why give Johnson something to boast about when you hate the mans very bones and by ignoring him you don't harm your own economic interests anyway?

Even if the nasty racial jibes weren't an issue, and they clearly don't help, the fact is that out of the EU, the UK is a diminished force. Whereas once we were the US' go-to people for influence in the worlds biggest trading bloc, not having a seat at that table means our significance on the world stage is greatly reduced. GFA aside, we're definitely not top of their priority list. It's probably always been that way in fairness but wankers love to talk about the special relationship, which no ordinary American I know has ever given a shite about.
 
Even if the nasty racial jibes weren't an issue, and they clearly don't help, the fact is that out of the EU, the UK is a diminished force. Whereas once we were the US' go-to people for influence in the worlds biggest trading bloc, not having a seat at that table means our significance on the world stage is greatly reduced. GFA aside, we're definitely not top of their priority list. It's probably always been that way in fairness but wankers love to talk about the special relationship, which no ordinary American I know has ever given a shite about.
During my lifetime the relationship has only really been special when the US wanted our support in the UN or militarily, and when they wanted to base nukes here. While acknowledging their willingness to send their youth to die in Europe on our behalves twice in the last century, it's worth bearing in mind they wrote off German war debt in 1953, but ensured we paid every penny of ours (ending in 2006). That's how special the relationship is.
 
During my lifetime the relationship has only really been special when the US wanted our support in the UN or militarily, and when they wanted to base nukes here. While acknowledging their willingness to send their youth to die in Europe on our behalves twice in the last century, it's worth bearing in mind they wrote off German war debt in 1953, but ensured we paid every penny of ours (ending in 2006). That's how special the relationship is.
One of the main reasons I resolutely and absolutley despise the USA with every fibre of my being.
 
Well that would be stupid as the UK generally supports the US- probably one of the very few countries in the world that do so.
The reason? A similar outlook on the world between our peoples and politicians.
Trump has tried his best to screw it up, but it has survived him.
A bit of a whoosh I'm afraid, at a Wilde guess.

The nutty Brexiters like IDS seem intent on pissing off the new administration. And I see very little similarity with Trumpers and the vast majority of "our peoples". Mind you, when you get a member of the Lords referring to Kamala Harris as "The Indian", we obviously have plenty of racists of our own - obviously enough to swing the referendum but not enough to bear comparison with Trump's base. (And I'm earnest about this as it's important.)
 
52 days until the sunlit uplands
Freedom is worth it.
Regardless of what the globalists think.
Cooperation with foreign countries is fine but integration onto another state without the people being able to vote to approve the change isn't - and that has always been the problem. Politicians have never trusted the voters.
 
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So many incorret or disingenuous statements there by John Major - The man who refused to allow the people to vote on the Maastricht treaty. This was compounded by Blair with the Lisbon treaty. A complete failure of trust in the people by politicians. That is why Brexit happened. You John Major, as well as Tony Blair, are responsible for Brexit.
 
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So many incorret or disingenuous statements there by John Major - The man who refused to allow the people to vote on the Maastricht treaty. This was compounded by Blair with the Lisbon treaty. A complete failure of trust in the people by politicians. That is why Brexit happened. You John Major, as well as Tony Blair, are responsible for Brexit.

Good effort there but as I, Tony Blair and John Major didn't vote leave explain again how we are responsible.
 
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Some quotes in this Twitter thread.

Unfortunately there’s absolutely nothing about Brexit that will have us in a better position than we were before. With Brexit we’re a weaker and poorer country.

 
Good effort there but as I, Tony Blair and John Major didn't vote leave explain again how we are responsible.
I voted Remain as I thought cooperation was necessary.
Major and Blair refused to trust the people and changed the club we joined without getting the approval of the British people.
By doing so they put in place a chain of events that led to Brexit as the people stopped trusting politicians.
Sadly it is now clear that the EU is a train with one destination - political union. I want no part of that.
 
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