Another new Brexit thread

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A very good thread that explains it in layman's terms. Sounds like a plausible and sensible solution to that particular issue that both sides ought to be able to accept.
Certainly does sound like it's the way ahead. I think it's all about optics now. Johnson will want to make it look like he's extracted last minute concessions whereas this could probably have been sorted months ago. It looks like the least worst option available right now. The best option that respected the 2016 vote would have been to remain in the SM and CU but that ship sailed a long time ago.
 
Certainly does sound like it's the way ahead. I think it's all about optics now. Johnson will want to make it look like he's extracted last minute concessions whereas this could probably have been sorted months ago. It looks like the least worst option available right now. The best option that respected the 2016 vote would have been to remain in the SM and CU but that ship sailed a long time ago.
Completely agree with you. If that’s what’s left it should have been sorted months ago to allow a period &or those affected to plan appropriately.
 
Get away, you'll be telling me next that folk in Colorado can move to Chicago.

Depends on whether those States have negotiated reciprocity agreements on the trade barriers that hinder movement between States.

Also, you have to enjoy the confidence in delivering the statement - open borders ‘it’s not delivered anywhere on Earth’ from a citizen of a Union state that did just that.
 
One of Johnson's own MPs saying that his position would become untenable if he failed to secure a deal.

I've been saying for a wile the real negotiation is between moderate tories and the headbangers. For the majority of tories they know no deal is not a real option - its a fucking mess that would do them no end of damage let alone having any thought to the national interest. But for many ERG types they are so far down the road of bollocks any deal is an infringement on our sovereignty. (Is any trade deal or other international treaty not this in some form or another?).

The deal has been there for a while - its the tories getting their heads around a deal that has to happen.
 
A Call to capitulate? If its no deal ... then surely it should be put back to the country?
Put what back to the country?

We can't 'remain' we can only rejoin, and that opens an enormous bag of requirements, namely joining the Eurozone and adopting the Euro, something that the majority of British business is wholly opposed to.

Our relationship, opt-outs and arrangements we had with the EU are gone, never to return.
 
The Beeb getting a bit snarky. Johnson probably didn't know it was happening, or no one bothered sending an invite.

As the UK is a founder member of the OECD, surprised PM just didn’t turn up at its 60th birthday today and have a natter with Macron, VDL, as he has been asking... Sanchez too.’ @BBC

 
Completely agree with you. If that’s what’s left it should have been sorted months ago to allow a period &or those affected to plan appropriately.
The reason that it was not seems quite obvious from the comments does it not? - and there seems to be common theme which I have pointed out by bolding.

That is has been left to the 11th hour is because the EU has not been willing to move their positions previously - and you know that this yet further evidence that "We will only see movement from the EU.........."

"The EU has dropped its insistence on a 'ratchet clause' which would have formalised the principle both sides should keep up with each other's standards. It's now ready to cater for divergence in the future so long as there are strong safeguards to rebalance unfair competition."

"This is a shift from the EU, which previously rejected managed divergence as too messy and risky for its economies. They worried it would create constant uncertainty for them. It thus represents a fair departure from the EU's opening position on LPF."

"There is a difference between having a commitment to match standards hard-wired into the deal, failure to comply with which would be a breach of the agreement, and a mechanism written into the text catering for a decision to diverge and accept rebalancing measures in return."

"What the sides are now trying to thrash out is how unfair competition would be defined, the process for triggering rebalancing measures, and how extensive they'd be. The EU originally wanted the Commission to have the unilateral right to apply them - hence 'lightning tariffs'."

"That demand angered the UK, and has now been diluted by Brussels which accepts there needs to be due process based on evidence. One EU proposal is for a 'distortion test' that could be triggered by either side. They're also open to setting up an independent arbitrage system."

The EU would have had the UK locked in regulatory chains for decades had May/Robbins incompetence still been what they were facing - take a bow Mr Frost.
 
Back to we have conceded on the principle of diverging from EU standards, it’s now about haggling over the price...

 
The reason that it was not seems quite obvious from the comments does it not? - and there seems to be common theme which I have pointed out by bolding.

That is has been left to the 11th hour is because the EU has not been willing to move their positions previously - and you know that this yet further evidence that "We will only see movement from the EU.........."

"The EU has dropped its insistence on a 'ratchet clause' which would have formalised the principle both sides should keep up with each other's standards. It's now ready to cater for divergence in the future so long as there are strong safeguards to rebalance unfair competition."

"This is a shift from the EU, which previously rejected managed divergence as too messy and risky for its economies. They worried it would create constant uncertainty for them. It thus represents a fair departure from the EU's opening position on LPF."

"There is a difference between having a commitment to match standards hard-wired into the deal, failure to comply with which would be a breach of the agreement, and a mechanism written into the text catering for a decision to diverge and accept rebalancing measures in return."

"What the sides are now trying to thrash out is how unfair competition would be defined, the process for triggering rebalancing measures, and how extensive they'd be. The EU originally wanted the Commission to have the unilateral right to apply them - hence 'lightning tariffs'."

"That demand angered the UK, and has now been diluted by Brussels which accepts there needs to be due process based on evidence. One EU proposal is for a 'distortion test' that could be triggered by either side. They're also open to setting up an independent arbitrage system."

The EU would have had the UK locked in regulatory chains for decades had May/Robbins incompetence still been what they were facing - take a bow Mr Frost.
I was talking about a specific point where there is a reasonably simple solution. The divergence from standards. Bloody hell you never miss an opportunity to churn out your well worn script. Both sides have been bloody minded on this is the point. Both sides will claim is as an adequate solution. Both sides could have agreed it months ago if they hadn’t been so bloody minded. And if their is truth in what was reported that it was the EU that introduced the future proofing of standards late in the day then that was obviously another bloody minded red herring they could later drop in return for movement by U.K. I will be honest, I am just so sick of the whole bloody thing.
 
Population is an economic issue. You've recognised that in your first sentence. All those activities are part of GDP. So is running asylum centres. Not letting asylum seekers work doesn't help GDP.

(Don't miss the point - immigration is obviously an economic issue.)

Never said it wasn’t an economic issue, just not interested in using it as a justification for an increased population.
 
I was talking about a specific point where there is a reasonably simple solution. The divergence from standards. Bloody hell you never miss an opportunity to churn out your well worn script. Both sides have been bloody minded on this is the point. Both sides will claim is as an adequate solution. Both sides could have agreed it months ago if they hadn’t been so bloody minded. And if their is truth in what was reported that it was the EU that introduced the future proofing of standards late in the day then that was obviously another bloody minded red herring they could later drop in return for movement by U.K. I will be honest, I am just so sick of the whole bloody thing.

It’s a good example of why things never get done quickly, they can’t even stick to a point of no return. Pathetic posturing from both sides and a serious lack of balls.
 
Entering via a dinghy is deception.

What would you have the government do? Free pass to all?

Vic has spoken to them all on the phone, they have confirmed they are fleeing from the nasty French to reach Blighty and they are also very fond of Labour policies.

Reports that they just wanted him off the phone as they were cold and tired are just rumours:-)
 
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