Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

You have zero idea as to the outcome Bob, none of us do as yet.

Meanwhile standing up for yourself and your interests in negotiations is the norm and its best to just accept that.

Yes it is. But you do it effectively. Shame we don’t actually do that isn’t it?

 

[Metal Biker]

4 years today since the vote to leave. 4 years and we are still trading with the EU and the rest of the world on EU terms and our trade is essentially governed by EU rules. We still have no idea what will replace these rules and trade deals - brexiteers still talking bollocks about what can be achieved.

Had we had a Parliament united together in its dedication to honouring said vote, and not campaign for 3 years, argue and attempt to overturn the result, either via another referendum or ignoring the result entirely, this would have been concluded a lot sooner now, wouldn't it.

pre-referendum: both sides of the debate will be committed to the result, and the outcome will determine an end to the discussion of membership once and for all.

leave wins: the result was a lie, the result was a con, FBPE, the public didn't know what they were voting for/uneducated/racists etc, vote for us to stay in the EU.

 

[mcfc1632]

You dont have any solutions Bob other than for the UK to capitulate at every corner and ultimately remain in the EU.

Thankfully we now know that isn't an option.

Thanks for your insight into our trade negotiations though even if they are shall we say.... a tad one sided and biased at times.

TBH - I starting to genuinely think - despite Remainer group protestations to the contrary - that quite a few Remainers actually now want a no-deal outcome - even if they have not come to terms with that themselves.

I say this because if there is a deal they will:

a) have little to carp about - well at least nothing other than their habitual and agenda driven need to moan and

b) because they will have to eat soooooo much humble pie

Not least because, if there is a deal it will mean that there has been compromise from both side and they will have to acknowledge - even though it has already been fully proven - that it was always true that...…….

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

No - quite a few of them do not really want a deal IMO - because they have shown many times that they do not have the character to man up and admit others were right and that they have been repeatedly wrong.

 

[BobKowalski]

it is just either disingenuous claptrap or a lack of even basic understanding of negotiations - perhaps both?

Why wouldn't Japan take that stance?

The trade deal between Japan and the United States concluded in September last year and then was formalised by year end

Just a total lack of understanding - I mentioned the other day that some Remainers seem to just trawl the media outlets looking for some bad news for the UK - and if they cannot find any - they invent some

You mean when I report the news from the FT that Japan says any trade deal will be limited because of time constraints you cite the fact that the US and Japan did a very limited deal in a similar time constraints as a rebuttal?

I think you guys are just phoning it in now.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergei...6-key-takeaways-from-the-us-japan-trade-deal/

 

[BobKowalski]

4 years today since the vote to leave. 4 years and we are still trading with the EU and the rest of the world on EU terms and our trade is essentially governed by EU rules. We still have no idea what will replace these rules and trade deals - brexiteers still talking bollocks about what can be achieved.

We will replace these EU rules and trade deals with...EU rules and trade deals with the option to diverge if we wish and never actually do so because there will be inbuilt tariff and regulatory penalties imposed on us by the EU.

It will forever be a cost and benefit exercise with marginal benefits weighed against real time costs. Or in short. Switzerland.

 

[journolud]

TBH - I starting to genuinely think - despite Remainer group protestations to the contrary - that quite a few Remainers actually now want a no-deal outcome - even if they have not come to terms with that themselves.

I say this because if there is a deal they will:

a) have little to carp about - well at least nothing other than their habitual and agenda driven need to moan and

b) because they will have to eat soooooo much humble pie

Not least because, if there is a deal it will mean that there has been compromise from both side and they will have to acknowledge - even though it has already been fully proven - that it was always true that...…….

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

No - quite a few of them do not really want a deal IMO - because they have shown many times that they do not have the character to man up and admit others were right and that they have been repeatedly wrong.

Au confuckingtraire, I'm sure most remainers would welcome a deal that causes less potential damage but it must suit your agenda to believe what you believe.

 

[mcfc1632]

Au confuckingtraire, I'm sure most remainers would welcome a deal that causes less potential damage but it must suit your agenda to believe what you believe.

Oh - I understand the logic - and agree that a lot of Remainers would/should welcome a deal

I am referring to the 'quite a few' Remainers that have become so twisted and inconsistent in (what passes in their perverse world for) their logic - that all traces to reality and commonsense has long since become lost to them - and they cannot seem to be able to find the path back. They seemed doomed to wander the threads issuing the same wails with an increasingly desperate and forlorn tone.

For the 'quite a few' I suspect that they would rather any outcome, even detriment to the best interests of the UK - which would likely just be consider collateral damage - rather than to have to accept that they have been consistently posting bollocks for 4 years.

 

[journolud]

Oh - I understand the logic - and agree that a lot of Remainers would/should welcome a deal

I am referring to the 'quite a few' Remainers that have become so twisted and inconsistent in (what passes in their perverse world for) their logic - that all traces to reality and commonsense has long since become lost to them - and they cannot seem to be able to find the path back. They seemed doomed to wander the threads issuing the same wails with an increasingly desperate and forlorn tone.

For the 'quite a few' I suspect that they would rather any outcome, even detriment to the best interests of the UK - which would likely just be consider collateral damage - rather than to have to accept that they have been consistently posting bollocks for 4 years.

Several hundred if not thousand more pages on this thread before we get a true picture of who has been talking bollocks for the last few years.

 

[west didsblue]

Several hundred if not thousand more pages on this thread before we get a true picture of who has been talking bollocks for the last few years.

I've got a reasonable idea already.

 

[Tb1981]

4 years today since the vote to leave. 4 years and we are still trading with the EU and the rest of the world on EU terms and our trade is essentially governed by EU rules. We still have no idea what will replace these rules and trade deals - brexiteers still talking bollocks about what can be achieved.

4 years of fuckwits trying to stop us succeeding
4 years of trying to stop the will of the people
4 years of remainers whining about the fact they know best.......
4 years of labour having no idea what their own supporters want
4 years of people waking up each day googling brexit fears and copy and pasting into this forum