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TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
This is re-inventing the facts and ignoring what Corbyn expressed as his desire, publicly, at the time, which was a united Ireland. This was, and currently still is, in complete defiance of the wishes of the majority in Northern Ireland, of which I have noted in this thread you are passionate to defend. In any event, his interference had little to no effect considering how long the bombing campaign continued afterwards. Someone who reaches out to a paramilitary group, but who also has the same expressed end result, is not enabling any processes.

It was stated earlier than people should not vote for Farage because of his connections to far right groups in other countries and so it is fair argument to suggest the same for Corbyn based on his connections to undesirable elements in the past. You cannot have it both ways.
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Nothing wrong with wanting a united Ireland...and i would disagree that it is "in complete defiance of the wishes of the majority in Northern Ireland".

I also do not believe the wishes and actions of far right groups are comparable to those who want their country back. I do not support or agree with the ideals and actions of republicanism, but their desire to regain the control of their own country is somewhat different than the fascist ideals of far right groups
 
grunge said:
Yeah very good summary, but a forum can only be judged by the people posting. and as you say, the right have a very vocal base on here.
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Of course they do. Its not a criticism, its just obvious.

I actually don't mind it, its better to have the fuckwits where you can see them.
 
Ban-jani said:
I think it’s 50/50 on the forum.

I see as many right wing posts as left wing. Some times it can seem biased at certain times but I believe that’s just when there happens to be more on from either the left or right persuasion.

Brexit has definitely changed people though. The amount of people who identify as centre, left or centre left and are supporting right wing politicians and becoming more nationalist as time goes on.
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I dont overly care what people identify as, actions are key, if someone says they are left but support/back up Boris/RJM then Id say they need to re asses there view of where they sit on the spectrum.
 
Neville Kneville said:
You clearly posted that a deal Labour may get, with closer ties 'is not leaving'.

That is purely your opinion as you don't see it as 'leaving' but I do & so will plenty of others.

Because some people have their view of what constitutes 'leaving' does not mean their opinion is the only worthwhile one.

Farage said a Norway style agreement would be 'leaving'. He then moved the goalposts.

Norway are not in the EU. So neither would we be.
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The problem with Brexit in a nutshell.
 
grunge said:
I dont overly care what people identify as, actions are key, if someone says they are left but support/back up Boris/RJM then Id say they need to re asses there view of where they sit on the spectrum.
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Very true. I’ve just found it interesting to see how it has changed people.
 
blueparrot said:
That's up to those drafting it not me, but if it's remain v an already agreed deal for leave then yes it should be binding. If the leave option is still a pie in the sky we'll work something out question then no it shouldn't be binding.
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There shouldn't, nor will there be another referendum.

We will revoke if a deal isn't agreed to leave.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
This is re-inventing the facts and ignoring what Corbyn expressed as his desire, publicly, at the time, which was a united Ireland. This was, and currently still is, in complete defiance of the wishes of the majority in Northern Ireland, of which I have noted in this thread you are passionate to defend. In any event, his interference had little to no effect considering how long the bombing campaign continued afterwards. Someone who reaches out to a paramilitary group, but who also has the same expressed end result, is not enabling any processes.

It was stated earlier that people should not vote for Farage because of his connections to far right groups in other countries and so it is fair argument to suggest the same for Corbyn based on his connections to undesirable elements in the past. You cannot have it both ways.
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I imagine if Corbyn goes to a Stalinist meeting next week & speaks in favour of them, it will gain a fair bit of publicity.

Headlines even. And correctly so.

I expect the Sun will have headlines condemning Farage very soon.
 
grunge said:
Never claimed other wise, and its actually pretty good to come here and have decent debate/argument with them. I was just pointing out this is ( politic's sub forum ) far more right than any other place I go.
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Even if it is more right wing.... that's the world we live in these days.

Anything right of centre makes you evil to some on here.
 
Rascal said:
And I am saying different.

But if you are "telling" me then it must be right. I bow to your superiority in these matters and will thrash myself accordingly.
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Maybe im asking you to back up your claim Rascal?

You name the right wing posters and lets see how many you can come up with and lets measure how big a group it is?
 
blueinsa said:
There shouldn't, nor will there be another referendum.

We will revoke if a deal isn't agreed to leave.
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Hope so, but I expect another referendum after the election some time in the spring with remain v a deal with CU and a sprinkling of SM
 
blueinsa said:
I dont think Labour are being remotely truthful about their intentions on brexit.
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Labours intentions are irrelevant as they are not in Government. When an election date is announced and a manifesto is drafted then it assumes relevance.
 
west didsblue said:
Are you mistaking me for a fan of Jeremy Corbyn?
Whether you are or you aren't, that's a huge deflection of the point I made about Farage.
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Apologies for linking you to Corbyn! I don't see it as a huge deflection, the discussion was about being linked to undesirable elements wrt to the main players.
 
Rascal said:
Labours intentions are irrelevant as they are not in Government. When an election date is announced and a manifesto is drafted then it assumes relevance.
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Tell that to over 17 Million leave voters, many of which vote Labour.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
Apologies for linking you to Corbyn! I don't see it as a huge deflection, the discussion was about being linked to undesirable elements wrt to the main players.
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Corbyn is very undesirable.

The Fascists currently hijacking the country are driving people toward him, because they are even worse. Far worse.

Corbyn should be the absolute limit of unelectability, but he's being made to look normal by these people.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Nothing wrong with wanting a united Ireland...and i would disagree that it is "in complete defiance of the wishes of the majority in Northern Ireland".

I also do not believe the wishes and actions of far right groups are comparable to those who want their country back. I do not support or agree with the ideals and actions of republicanism, but their desire to regain the control of their own country is somewhat different than the fascist ideals of far right groups
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I cannot believe you just wrote this, to be honest.
 
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