Another new Brexit thread

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Ban-jani said:
As we’re a parliamentary democracy, if they were to win a majority whilst having revoke as their key policy, it would be entirely democratic of them to revoke.
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Presumably then, any Labour or Tory MPs who are voting in Parliament to Remain should have the whip withdrawn, given that they both ran on a platform to leave the EU in the last election?
 
Damocles said:
Presumably then, any Labour or Tory MPs who are voting in Parliament to Remain should have the whip withdrawn, given that they both ran on a platform to leave the EU in the last election?
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Should losing MPs be held to a manifesto? Also, people vote for their local MP for a variety of reasons other than Brexit
 
Damocles said:
Presumably then, any Labour or Tory MPs who are voting in Parliament to Remain should have the whip withdrawn, given that they both ran on a platform to leave the EU in the last election?
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That’s an internal matter for the leadership of each party and our democracy should always cater for rebel MP’s.
 
Damocles said:
Presumably then, any Labour or Tory MPs who are voting in Parliament to Remain should have the whip withdrawn, given that they both ran on a platform to leave the EU in the last election?
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We've not had a vote to remain, only on one particular leave option and as no one said what the leave deal should be there is no reason why any labour MP or conservative for that matter should feel obligated to vote for it. That's the trouble having an open ended leave option.
 
Damocles said:
No MPs lost. The fact that they're an MP shows they won from their manifesto
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Fair point. However, like I said, people vote for a variety of reasons not just Brexit

On a wider point - do you think that coalition governments will help the nation reach more compromises going forward or will it create much entrenchment as people will think they haven't got their own way and someone else(whoever that may be) has 'won'?
 
Blue Hefner said:
On a wider point - do you think that coalition governments will help the nation reach more compromises going forward or will it create much entrenchment as people will think they haven't got their own way and someone else(whoever that may be) has 'won'?
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I think that in any committee, democracy is best served by having a diverse range of opinions and the fact that there's very left wing and very right wing people in our country but not in our Parliament is an example of our democracy not representing the people. When Labour went right under Blair for example, too many left Labour voters stayed with the Party when it was no longer representative. A PR system would have helped enormously here.

Coalition governments work well everywhere else. There's very little reason why they shouldn't do here. The more diversity of opinion, the closer to the mutual good that everybody can reach in the jointly passed legislation
 
Damocles said:
Presumably then, any Labour or Tory MPs who are voting in Parliament to Remain should have the whip withdrawn, given that they both ran on a platform to leave the EU in the last election?
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Manifestos expire when you lose an election. Why would any party stick with a losing manifesto?
It’s only incumbent on the winning side to deliver their manifesto as that’s the basis of them winning their election.
 
Damocles said:
Presumably then, any Labour or Tory MPs who are voting in Parliament to Remain should have the whip withdrawn, given that they both ran on a platform to leave the EU in the last election?
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Not with No Deal.
 
Ric said:
It’s a sad indictment that The Mail and The Sun are far and away the most popular newspapers in this country. It explains a lot.
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But, given their combined circulation is < 2.5M, I do not think that the support of the majority of the UK to vote to Leave can be claimed as being due to their influence - just far too convenient IMO
 
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BLUEMATT23 said:
Have to laugh.
That stupid new leader of the liberal democrats have voted to revoke article 50 and cancel the referendum.
They have democrats as part of their title yet they advocate ignoring 17 million people like me who voted leave.
Let's hope that stupid witch gets trounced I'm the election.
Get it done Boris!!!!
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Yeah but that means 50 million Brits dont want to leave, the 16 million that voted that way and the 34 million who want desperately want to stay but couldn’t be heard due to wearing nappies or being far too busy to actually vote.

#anoshowisaremainershow
 
mcfc1632 said:
But, given their combined circulation is < 2.5M, I do not think that the support of the majority of the UK to vote to Leave can be claimed as being due to their influence - just fat too convenient IMO
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There are however 90 million unique visitors to The Sun, Mail, Telegraph and Express websites, of which a reasonable percentage will be in the UK I would imagine. Certainly more than 2.5 million.
 
west didsblue said:
There are however 90 million unique visitors to The Sun, Mail, Telegraph and Express websites, of which a reasonable percentage will be in the UK I would imagine. Certainly more than 2.5 million.
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And how many to daily mirror,guardian,bbc etc? The BBC has more reach than any, and is horrifically biased towards remain.
 
George Hannah said:
to the next opportunity for disinformation..... the real question for today is exactly what our Brexit Secretary, Stephen Barclay was doing in Poland yesterday?

Extension veto from Boris' chums?
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The Poles wouldn't dare. The whole EU project is at stake & they've made it clear they will act with one voice.
 
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