And there we have it. I just said; hold a general election, vote for MP's who publicly state their position is one that backs the UK joining the EFTA and accepts some EEA terms.
So what's your solution then? And don't even think about saying the words "revoking" or "remaining"...
Labour are proposing negotiating a new deal and putting that to a referendum, I'd assume it would be a deal based on something very EFTA likeWhich party would fulfill it then?
* Conservatives want hard brexit/no deal
* Lib Dems are pro revoke A50
* Labour want a second ref
None are pushing EFTA/EEA so you can keep dreaming but it's not happening
Well they helped negotiate the GFA for a start.Are they considered more or less reasonable than the DUP by NI voters? (not being familiar with NI public opinion)
Well, you know what you need to do then.The only path towards that is, first an extension, then an election and hope we get a new government, which would probably need to be a Labour led coalition, that would negotiate for EFTA without the present red lines.
We can demand as much as we like, this present government, or any new conservative government, is set on it's red lines and in thrall to the ERG and DUP. Until we have an election EFTA isn't even in the room never mind on the table.
More chance of revoking than EFTA I think. Rightly or wrongly.So how about start supporting and demanding MP's do just that, instead of having people constantly bleat about remaining, or voting to remain etc...
Remain is gone. Change the narrative to supporting EFTA/EEA. Campaign to rejoin the EU later of you so wish. Blaiming the government not backing it is a lazy excuse. You have the initiative here to put pressure on MP's, create a national movement to support EFTA membership, and get this situation over and done with.
I hold a somewhat similar belief but there's no guarantee they do negotiate an EEA/EFA deal, they're the most likely thoughLabour are proposing negotiating a new deal and putting that to a referendum, I'd assume it would be a deal based on something very EFTA like
I.E. EFTA under a different name, basically. So there's no reason just backing the UK becoming and EFTA member wouldn't fly amongst Labour, IMO.Labour are proposing negotiating a new deal and putting that to a referendum, I'd assume it would be a deal based on something very EFTA like
They will if the public demands that they do, and then can hold them to account when they don't.I hold a somewhat similar belief but there's no guarantee they do negotiate an EEA/EFA deal, they're the most likely though
But then there is nothing stopping us leavers from demanding a Third or a Fourth if we "lose" the next one. A Second Referendum on our status as a member is not the answer, and would not fly.If you can name 325 MPs who would vote EFTA in then sure. We're not that different mate, I just think I'm more realistic in knowing it's not feasible.
I think we're screwed, I don't think know if there is a palatable solution to this madness bar a second referendum
Which is what I said in the first place,' not under this government', so we are in the same place we need an extension then an election and hope for the right result.Well, you know what you need to do then.
Start publicly demanding that Labour supports EFTA membership at the next GE.
The public isn't going to demand it because most don't know enough about the EU to know that EEA/EFA membership exists. Ask the average person if they understand what an EFTA is and I'd be surprised if you got more than 3/10 yes's. Then you could probably half that as most would either remain or hard brexitThey will if the public demands that they do, and then can hold them to account when they don't.
Are they considered more or less reasonable than the DUP by NI voters? (not being familiar with NI public opinion)
You love your acronyms over there!Could probably consider them to be more moderate...but more moderate than the DUP isnt exactly difficult. Historically the bigger Unionist Party, lead by David Trimble who along with John Hume (SDLP) helped forge the GFA
The people don't know, so let's just remain in an organisation like the EU that you've just admitted the majority of the people didn't know about either, on the basis that other people who support it say we should?The public isn't going to demand it because most don't know enough about the EU to know that EEA/EFA membership exists. Ask the average person if they understand what an EFTA and I'd be surprised if you got more than 3/10 yes's. Then you could probably half that as most would either remain or hard brexit
Alex am I reading this proposal wrong?
Does it not undermine the GFA?
What is the viewpoint from normal society in the North?
Initialisms!You love your acronyms over there!
Spelling was in a fucking shocking state before 3500BC though tbf.It started in about 3500BC with the advent of literacy and it has been with us ever since among a small septic minority, well represented on here.
Yeah, I always get them the wrong way round tbf.Initialisms!