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Gaudion M said:
Why must I compromise with an alternate position full of BS and misinformation. To me Brexit is binary - there are 3 options and always has been:

1. remain a member of the EU - best option

2. Leave and enter a soft brexit deal with a CU and full SM access - acceptable outcome although pointless as you are clearly better of with the first option.

3. Leave without a deal or with a WA that will lead to a hard brexit and screw up NI/ROI + every other port (not to mention the impact on the economy). This will never be popular when laid out in detail and will be an instant disaster if we ever try it.

There is no other option than the 3 above. There is no compromise. There is no magic solution. There is only different periods of transition from 1 to 2 or 3.

I would accept 2 but it was taken out the back and shot by the tory party in late 2016 without consulting anyone. I won't now ever budge from promoting option 1. I have had no part in the BS propagated around the non existent other options and I wont start now. Brexit was and is a massive con that there is some magical way forward that allows us the best of all scenarios. It's utter BS and I will always hold that view, if 52% of the population were conned into voting for a load of BS that's on them - I can only hope that enough of them change their mind and we get a chance to have a second vote. If we as a population keep voting for BS then collectively we will ultimately get what we deserve.
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That's my take. Great post. If want to simply revoke however I am prepared to compromise with a second referendum with all the facts on the table.
 
Ban-jani said:
Johnson will ask for extension if no deal is agreed before Oct 19th - confirmed.

I’m booking the day off work, getting some Stella tinnies in and am going to sit back and enjoy, watching the **** get humiliated.
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Where's this been confirmed?
 
smudgedj said:
It can hand its A50 letter into the EU.


Ireland's solution is obvious though. An autonomous and United Ireland loyal to the crown and part of a fully sovereign and independent United Kingdom.
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So you advocate Ireland joining a customs union, a single currency, a single market, no border controls yet support Brexit.

How do you square that off?
 
Gaudion M said:
Why must I compromise with an alternate position full of BS and misinformation. To me Brexit is binary - there are 3 options and always has been:

1. remain a member of the EU - best option

2. Leave and enter a soft brexit deal with a CU and full SM access - acceptable outcome although pointless as you are clearly better of with the first option.

3. Leave without a deal or with a WA that will lead to a hard brexit and screw up NI/ROI + every other port (not to mention the impact on the economy). This will never be popular when laid out in detail and will be an instant disaster if we ever try it.

There is no other option than the 3 above. There is no compromise. There is no magic solution. There is only different periods of transition from 1 to 2 or 3.

I would accept 2 but it was taken out the back and shot by the tory party in late 2016 without consulting anyone. I won't now ever budge from promoting option 1. I have had no part in the BS propagated around the non existent other options and I wont start now. Brexit was and is a massive con that there is some magical way forward that allows us the best of all scenarios. It's utter BS and I will always hold that view, if 52% of the population were conned into voting for a load of BS that's on them - I can only hope that enough of them change their mind and we get a chance to have a second vote. If we as a population keep voting for BS then collectively we will ultimately get what we deserve.
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Before Johnson started as PM I would have probably taken option 2 just to get it over with but after all his duplicity, lies and trying to fuck with the constitution I'm now firmly in the revoke and remain camp.
 
bluejon said:
Where's this been confirmed?
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Indy-

Boris Johnson has accepted he will request Article 50 is extended if he fails to reach a new Brexit deal with the EU by 19 October, a Scottish court has been told by lawyers challenging the government.

Government documents submitted to the Court of Session say the prime minister will send a letter asking for an extension to article 50 - despite Mr Johnson's repeated insistence that he will never delay Brexit.
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Rascal said:
Oi! I am not a parasite
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bloodsuckers relax after lunch at CP HQ
 
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Mëtal Bikër said:
EFTA membership means no break up and honouring the GFA. In my eyes it's the best solution that honours the result of the referendum.
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I genuinely believe that the most serious risk to the break up of the UK - with Scotland leaving - would be if the UK remains in the EU and/or there is a BRINO or very soft-Brexit

Conversely, I think that the chnace of Scotland leaving the UK reduces to minimal if the UK cleanly leaves the EU
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
With respect George, then you should read the procedures of the Assembly that I posted last night. That veto is something they have as a right given to them out of the GFA negotiations. The DUP see it now as a way of permanently keeping that power within the assembly rather than a Border Poll that would be granted by the GFA.
If the backstop is seen by many in England as a trap, then this by any standard is most definitely a trap.
Listen, if Johnson was to accept an extension then what is on offer could indeed be clarified and the same amount of forensic study and meticulous detail be put into the final deal, that was put into the GFA in the first place.

This is an English Nationalist solution to Brexit which offers the DUP what they've wanted all along, the undermining of the GFA and in their minds the securing of NI into the UK contrary to what was agreed in an International Treaty.
It puts the onus back into the assembly as I've outlined above, and rids the UK government of their responsibilities concerning NI.
Jobs a happy one for any English Nationalist. Just call it what it is though.
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I did read your posts on this last night and the Guardian article but surely abusing the cross-community mechanisms discussed would be ruled out of the process?
 
bluejon said:
Fuck me. So he really is saying one thing in public and something completely different in private. What a fucking prick.
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The leave voters on here that are backing him will soon hate him more than we do.

It’ll turn full circle on him.

The opposition have crucified him and it’ll be shown to all his followers.
 
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