Another new Brexit thread

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bellbuzzer said:
That fountain in the Traf centre, the one punters chuck coins in, and make a wish...
Apparently, there is a queue, first time ever, reportedly those of the brexit persuasion, but as none will admit to that, it remains speculation. Samaritan's have a mobile chapel on the car park next to the geezer selling "Free our Tommy" t-shirts, and lucky white heather, dream-catchers and candy-floss . Stop-press t-shirts sold out.
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Is the queue to fish coins out?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
They ripped up because the Iranians simply ignored it. Keep up with the news.
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They weren’t ignoring it. Iran wanted the deal. The West and Russia and China wanted the deal. Trump nixed it out of envy because it was an ‘Obama’ deal. Slowly bringing in Iran back into the international fold was the right move. Putting them back into the cold was dumb.
 
Vic said:
....with the fake news.
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For once id agree with you.

Any flouting of the deal was minimal by all accounts and not worthy of what Trump did although that was to appease the Israeli's and his home audience as we all know.

Thankfully we along with Germany and France sided with Iran in this respect and did all we can which makes our involvement now in tanker-gate all the more baffling and frankly annoying.

the phone call this afternoon should be we will release your tanker immediately, please do likewise and lets stop being silly.
 
BobKowalski said:
They weren’t ignoring it. Iran wanted the deal. The West and Russia and China wanted the deal. Trump nixed it out of envy because it was an ‘Obama’ deal. Slowly bringing in Iran back into the international fold was the right move. Putting them back into the cold was dumb.
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This.
 
BobKowalski said:
To get the right environment for trade ie eliminate borders, tariffs, NTB’s for services etc you also need a political dimension. You need common rules and laws so you need a commission and Parliament to formulate them. You need a judicial court to enforce them and an administrative body to run it on behalf of the member countries.

The EU from its beginning was as much a political project as it was a trade project because you cannot have one without the other and our attempt via Brexit to have the benefits (trade) without the perceived cost (politics) is why Brexit was always going to fail. In short allowing the U.K. to have its cake and eat it was never going to be in the interests of 27 other countries and countries do not willingly vote against their own interests.

That this self evident truth about politics and trade was never agreed on was because Remain focused largely on trade and tried to ignore the politics and Leave focused on selling the lie that we could enjoy the benefits without the cost. And we bought the lie.
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And once again for those at the back..........


Brought us the longest period of peace between European countries ... ever.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
And once again for those at the back..........


Brought us the longest period of peace between European countries ... ever.
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Its played a part without a doubt but the threat of nuclear war and mutual destruction between the USSR and NATO did far more in that regards as even if they felt like a conventional spat for old times sakes, the inevitable escalation soon poured water on it.

NATO should get the credit, not the EU.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Yep and the inconvenient truth for you is who has stood up again and supported the uk . The USA that’s who.

Eu , hello eu , are you there eu?
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You sure about that?

‘U.S. Secretary of State Pompeo, on British tanker incident in Iran, says it falls to the United Kingdom to take care of their ships - Fox News via @Reuters’
 
blueinsa said:
Its played a part without a doubt but the threat of nuclear war and mutual destruction between the USSR and NATO did far more in that regards as even if they felt like a conventional spat for old times sakes, the inevitable escalation soon poured water on it.

NATO should get the credit, not the EU.
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I don't think it's unreasonable to give credit to both NATO and the EU for the ongoing peace across the continent. It may be just coincidence that the only wars in mainland Europe since WW2 happened outside the EU in the former Yugoslavia.
 
This is just the Governement 'no-deal' requirements for Medical Devices. Now, for those that might not be aware, medical devices are things like; hearing aids, implantible cardiac devices, pacemakers and such like. They are ALSO, hospital beds, bandages, plasters, slings and a myriad of other similar things.

Turns out that things are not quite as simple as has been suggested.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/regulating-medical-devices-in-the-event-of-a-no-deal-scenario
 
west didsblue said:
I don't think it's unreasonable to give credit to both NATO and the EU for the ongoing peace across the continent. It may be just coincidence that the only wars in mainland Europe since WW2 happened outside the EU in the former Yugoslavia.
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I did start with it has played its part without a doubt ;-)
 
BobKowalski said:
We are a self governing nation. We can override the Oct 31st date through the unilateral sovereign act of revoking A50 and there is nothing the EU or 27 other countries can do about it.

Furthermore we can unilaterally leave the EU at any point prior to 31st Oct and again there is nothing the EU or 27 other countries can do about it.
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blueinsa said:
Its played a part without a doubt but the threat of nuclear war and mutual destruction between the USSR and NATO did far more in that regards as even if they felt like a conventional spat for old times sakes, the inevitable escalation soon poured water on it.

NATO should get the credit, not the EU.
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Different aims. NATO to be the West against the East and the EU explicitly to create economic and political ties that would make war between western European nations just too costly. But some people don't like those political aims and seem to think economic rivalry is a way to preserve peace.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
It does really .
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No it doesn’t. The US only has ‘our back’ if it suits them. Because we are reluctant to sign up to their proposed naval task force and their potential shitshow we get the finger. We sign up to the task force on their terms and to their potential shitshow then we get support.

This is not a criticism of the US. Their show, their rules and if we don’t like it then we get squat in return. Trouble is we need support. We don’t have the assets or capabilities to go it alone. Iran knows this and also knows politically we face possible isolation so we end up being pawns in this ‘game’ between US, EU and Iran. We seize their tanker, in part to show willing to the US, and then leave U.K. flagged vessels open to retaliation.

The US, and especially under this Administration, is not going to have our backs out of sentiment or because we are ‘special allies’. That shit is for press conferences and visits. Outside of that they have our backs when it’s in their interests or when we do as we are told.
 
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