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Thread us still focusing on Ireland
Any chance that English aspirations will ever deserve consideration?
Never ever . It’s all Ireland Scotland wales then London in that order .
Thread us still focusing on Ireland
Any chance that English aspirations will ever deserve consideration?
Well no, you don't, but I did mean "left wing by UK standards e.g. centrist" :)We just don't get left wing governments full stop.
You won't get a left wing government that can afford to back it though and if no deal loses you Scotland then you're stuck with the Tories for at least the rest of your lifespan.
So the 2000 or so Labour voters they polled tell us, but there again the polls indicated a remain vote in the referendum.And yet 65% of Labour voters voted remain.

Don't have to back it, let it all play out and if it does go to shit the Tories take the blame for a lifetime and there is a chance that with the recriminations they will disintegrate big time, leaving Labour to stroll through the devastation, win the next election and build a proper Socialist society free of the neo-liberal constraints of the EU.
I can almost see the only red flag I support proudly fluttering in the wind as we all sing
Stand up, damned of the Earth
Stand up, prisoners of starvation
Reason thunders in its volcano
This is the eruption of the end.
Of the past let us make a clean slate
Enslaved masses, stand up, stand up.
The world is about to change its foundation
We are nothing, let us be all.
This is the final struggle
Let us group together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race
There are no supreme saviours
Neither God, nor Caesar, nor tribune.
Producers, let us save ourselves,
Decree the common salvation.
So that the thief expires,
So that the spirit be pulled from its prison,
Let us fan our forge ourselves
Strike the iron while it is hot.
The State oppresses and the law cheats.
Tax bleeds the unfortunate.
No duty is imposed on the rich;
The rights of the poor is an empty phrase.
Enough languishing in custody!
Equality wants other laws:
No rights without duties, she says,
Equally, no duties without right
Hideous in their apotheosis
The kings of the mine and of the rail.
Have they ever done anything other
Than steal work?
Inside the safe boxes of the gang,
What work had created melted.
By ordering that they give it back,
The people want only their due
The kings made us drunk with fumes,
Peace among us, war to the tyrants!
Let the armies go on strike,
Stocks in the air, and break ranks.
If they insist, these cannibals
On making heroes of us,
They will know soon that our bullets
Are for our own generals
Workers, peasants, we are
The great party of labourers.
The earth belongs only to men;
The idle will go to reside elsewhere.
How much of our flesh have they consumed?
But if these ravens, these vultures
Disappear one of these days,
The sun will still shine forever
This is the final struggle
Let us group together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race
So repeated polls of Labour members and voters and NEC meetings have told us.So the 2000 or so Labour voters they polled tell us, but there again the polls indicated a remain vote in the referendum.
Racism is an odd subject to bring up however feel free to have a special bonus point for making an irrelevant post just to support a point that hadn't been made.There again, there were more racist Leave voters than Scottish Leave voters. (Based on those willing to vote BNP in a general election.)
Eh? What is this government if not left wing?We just don't get left wing governments full stop.
They're actually insane.
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Really? With your record of being caught out?
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you're always a tonic D ;)You won't get a left wing government that can afford to back it though and if no deal loses you Scotland then you're stuck with the Tories for at least the rest of your lifespan.
It's true, look what happened when we left. Tory domination. Scotland leave and you're stuck with the home counties.you're always a tonic D ;)
Really? This government isn't too far off the far edge of right wing.Eh? What is this government if not left wing?
It's true, look what happened when we left. Tory domination. Scotland leave and you're stuck with the home counties.
Don't have to back it, let it all play out and if it does go to shit the Tories take the blame for a lifetime and there is a chance that with the recriminations they will disintegrate big time, leaving Labour to stroll through the devastation, win the next election and build a proper Socialist society free of the neo-liberal constraints of the EU.
So Mark Francois now admits that 60 Tory MP’s will vote against the WA, even if Johnson were to get the backstop out. I wish they’d make their minds up.
So Mark Francois now admits that 60 Tory MP’s will vote against the WA, even if Johnson were to get the backstop out. I wish they’d make their minds up.
Francois is the archetypal cockalorum
You voted, Leave. No?I’d question your use of the word ‘sensible’ and also your judgement, with all due respect