What's it like in cloud cuckoo land? Sounds great. You've listed the so called rules and regulations on freedom of movement. The reality, as witnessed daily by those of us with eyes open is very, very different.
And glad to see you empathise so well with the Greeks. The EU caused untold misery? Well, never mind, it's far worse in the UK so boo-hoo.
Why would I want to fund Farage? Such a facile argument, "you don't want this so I bet you want this". No wonder Remain were so, so fucking easy to beat.
Anyway, we're leaving, so we'll have plenty of time to discuss the medicine shortages; run on the pound; twenty mile truck queues; dead piles of cattle etc, etc. There'll all be rendered moot by WWIII anyway, so get knocking up your Anderson shelter (or will be onto WWIV by then?)
Federalisation and the inevitable approach to taxation, legislation, defence, intelligence and global security it brings. Not all bad, but some aspects are IMHO. So much so that for me personally they outweigh the benefits. The stealthy tiptoe from the trading block we joined to the state-type entity we find ourselves wedded to today also concerns me, and if I'm honest the difficulty/ impossibility of extracting ourselves does little to dissuade me of this. For me at least money on the side of buses and immigration paranoia is as silly as the remain project fear bollocks we have to endure.
The majority of which we hold vetoes on ...... the point at which a referendum should have been held is when a definite confirmed move to one of those positions was tabled. Not because Cameron and the Tories were scared of UKIP.
Point taken, and I freely admit I may be a bit 'tin foil hat' about all this, but the very fact that we need/have these vetoes proves (to me at least) how far the EEC has travelled down the road of federalism already as it has morphed into the EU.
From the Fail this morning:
'Boris Johnson 'believes the EU will cave in and give a new and improved Brexit deal at the eleventh hour because Ireland would be "f****d" by No Deal'
source - leaked by a 'cabinet minister'. This serves as diplomacy in the UK.
I would have thought that as a member state, Ireland will get significant assistance from the EU in case of a 'no deal' and that we would hurt far more than the Irish in terms of pure economic activity.
I'm just trying to think through the consequences of a no deal on the Irish Border. If it actually happens, the UK will do nothing and the EU will have to fairly quickly put in place some kind of customs barrier to protect its integrity. The GFA goes out of the window and the British press have a field day pointing at the EU and screaming its there fault. Massive disruption ensues and a potential return of the troubles. Would the EU announce a transition period where the border remains open and they hope that negotiations will fix things and come up with a solution. Either way, its going to be an unholy mess. Or do I have this wrong?
From the Fail this morning:
'Boris Johnson 'believes the EU will cave in and give a new and improved Brexit deal at the eleventh hour because Ireland would be "f****d" by No Deal'
source - leaked by a 'cabinet minister'. This serves as diplomacy in the UK.
I would have thought that as a member state, Ireland will get significant assistance from the EU in case of a 'no deal' and that we would hurt far more than the Irish in terms of pure economic activity.
I'm just trying to think through the consequences of a no deal on the Irish Border. If it actually happens, the UK will do nothing and the EU will have to fairly quickly put in place some kind of customs barrier to protect its integrity. The GFA goes out of the window and the British press have a field day pointing at the EU and screaming its there fault. Massive disruption ensues and a potential return of the troubles. Would the EU announce a transition period where the border remains open and they hope that negotiations will fix things and come up with a solution. Either way, its going to be an unholy mess. Or do I have this wrong?
I would imagine that during any transition period there would be a call for a reunification of Ireland which would solve the problem followed quickly by Scottish Indyref2
"Thick", "racist" "ignorant" heard it all, many, many times. But, sadly, it seems, the "thick" "racist" and "ignorant" outnumber the "clever" "inclusive" and "informed", ergo, ta ra to the EU. Quel dommage.
Reading further, it looks like both Governments say they will do nothing for a temporary period if a no deal brexit happens. The Irish will hope that the consequences of a no deal brexit will have the UK back at the negotiating table smartish. The UK will feel that the onus on finding a solution will rest with the EU and we can carry on pretty much regardless. Unless of course bombs start to go off.I'm not sure, but you're right it's a mess. It beggars belief we are carrying on this way with a trading bloc we desperately need a deal with at some point. Fucking about like this is not going to do us any favours whatsoever when we actually start negotiating.
As it happens, I think parliament is going to move to prevent no deal with the EU granting another extension. Then what happens, i don't know.
The point Im trying to make on FOM of Labour is that the rules were/are there to control it ..... your Government didn't bother. When it was realised by Cameron it was an issue it was too late as 'Border Force' hadn't set up the process to track people into the UK and send them back when / if they became unemployed.
The day after on here will be joyous if it happens.
They maybe a gif or two posted as well.
The biggest problem for Ireland will be the disruption to its supply chain. Much of it goes through Holyhead and through the UK onto the continent. If the port disruptions and delays happen as predicted, then Irish goods will also suffer terribly as much of it is perishable goods.From the Fail this morning:
'Boris Johnson 'believes the EU will cave in and give a new and improved Brexit deal at the eleventh hour because Ireland would be "f****d" by No Deal'
source - leaked by a 'cabinet minister'. This serves as diplomacy in the UK.
I would have thought that as a member state, Ireland will get significant assistance from the EU in case of a 'no deal' and that we would hurt far more than the Irish in terms of pure economic activity.
I'm just trying to think through the consequences of a no deal on the Irish Border. If it actually happens, the UK will do nothing and the EU will have to fairly quickly put in place some kind of customs barrier to protect its integrity. The GFA goes out of the window and the British press have a field day pointing at the EU and screaming its there fault. Massive disruption ensues and a potential return of the troubles. Would the EU announce a transition period where the border remains open and they hope that negotiations will fix things and come up with a solution. Either way, its going to be an unholy mess. Or do I have this wrong?
I would bet a fiver against getting my knackers cut off with garden shears that, if this country manages toCompletely. Although I would imagine that once we rejoin, which we will, the EU would make it even harder to leave.
Careful. Someone might hold you to that. Remember the age profile of voters. Thats a lot of Remainers to have to flip.I would bet a fiver against getting my knackers cut off with garden shears that, if this country manages to
extricate itself from the EU, we will not, ever, be asking to rejoin it.
I'm not sure, but you're right it's a mess. It beggars belief we are carrying on this way with a trading bloc we desperately need a deal with at some point. Fucking about like this is not going to do us any favours whatsoever when we actually start negotiating.
As it happens, I think parliament is going to move to prevent no deal with the EU granting another extension. Then what happens, i don't know.
I forgot to add a proviso, when I'm proved right, say after two years or so, I get control of the shears;)Careful. Someone might hold you to that. Remember the age profile of voters. Thats a lot of Remainers to have to flip.
I would bet a fiver against getting my knackers cut off with garden shears that, if this country manages to
extricate itself from the EU, we will not, ever, be asking to rejoin it.
We are being 'sold' to the Americans by the Ideological madness of the tories.... there's no point in a trade deal with the Eu
Fair enough, it's your opinion, we've all got them, my view is we won't be joining in any way, shape or form,I think it’s become so tribalistic that those against it now will harden in their views and the generational shift could see them outnumber ardent leavers. Then factor if and when the economy tanks, and we’ll be looking to go back in, at least on a Norway type basis - which is really how we should be looking to transition out in my opinion.