Another new Brexit thread

[Saddleworth2]

I forgot to add a proviso, when I'm proved right, say after two years or so, I get control of the shears;)

Ha, short termism eh. I think it should be over a ten year period.

 

[joe123]

Fair enough, it's your opinion, we've all got them, my view is we won't be joining in any way, shape or form,
but we're not even out yet, so it's another wait and see exercise.

Ha, at least we’ll have something to talk about on a forum for years to come. In 2016 I thought my productivity at work might have gone up by now but Bluemoon is still a prominent feature of my unofficial timesheet

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Apologies if previously posted, this latest poll shows most people now want to leave the EU, however we do it...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...f-touch-with-the-people-they-serve/ar-AAFIc5v

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-boost-poll-18921996

Just another poll, but interesting nontheless.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Ha, short termism eh. I think it should be over a ten year period.

Yes, maybe, but if anything, I think the likelyhood of applying to rejoin in 10 years is even more remote.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Ha, at least we’ll have something to talk about on a forum for years to come. In 2016 I thought my productivity at work might have gone up by now but Bluemoon is still a prominent feature of my unofficial timesheet

Don't let it affect your work mate, chatting shit on here won't pay the bills;)

 

[aguero93:20]

The biggest problem for Ireland will be the disruption to its supply chain. Much of it goes through Holyhead and through the UK onto the continent. If the port disruptions and delays happen as predicted, then Irish goods will also suffer terribly as much of it is perishable goods.

Not as much as used to, we've diverted an awful lot of it through France and the Netherlands.

 

[Ban-jani]

Apologies if previously posted, this latest poll shows most people now want to leave the EU, however we do it...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...f-touch-with-the-people-they-serve/ar-AAFIc5v

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-boost-poll-18921996

Just another poll, but interesting nontheless.

The result was based on the answers of 1,645 respondents, after those who said they did not know their preference had been excluded.

Many MPs have expressed outrage at the idea of "proroguing" Parliament in order to avoid a no-deal scenario being halted by the Commons.

But the poll of 2,011 adults also found 51% of respondents agree that "Brexit should be halted if problems over the Northern Ireland border threaten to split the Union".

 

[hilts]

It wont be joyous for some of us. It will feel worse than any relegation, any loss at football - more like a bereavement. Try and remember that as you celebrate. If it all gets canned, I promise, no triumphalism from me as I assume some of you will feel as bad.

There was a heavy dose of sarcasm in there although your post doesn’t help with the type of hyperbole and self pity that has standard remainer written all over it. Bereavement ffs.

Anyhow most leavers have an acceptance that it is very unlikely we will leave. We won’t have lost anything but gained quite a bit.

 

[BobKowalski]

Apologies if previously posted, this latest poll shows most people now want to leave the EU, however we do it...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...f-touch-with-the-people-they-serve/ar-AAFIc5v

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-boost-poll-18921996

Just another poll, but interesting nontheless.

Yeah it was commissioned by the Telegraph and got roasted. The figure was 44% not 54% and the question to get the 44% was a leading one.

No amount of dodgy polls and lies is getting you a Brexit let alone one that has no legitimate mandate.

 

[Vic]

Apologies if previously posted, this latest poll shows most people now want to leave the EU, however we do it...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...f-touch-with-the-people-they-serve/ar-AAFIc5v

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-boost-poll-18921996

Just another poll, but interesting nontheless.

They asked some very convoluted questions. And didn't ask, "should we now Remain or Leave?"

I could get nasty and say it's ridiculous that, when so many Leavers wanted our Parliament to be sovereign (some citing Tony Benn) they're willing to diminish the sovereignty of Parliament. I could get very nasty and quote, "the freedom to act without parliamentary consent and even without constitutional limitations" but that was wikipedia about how the Nazis took power ...

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Yeah it was commissioned by the Telegraph and got roasted. The figure was 44% not 54% and the question to get the 44% was a leading one.

No amount of dodgy polls and lies is getting you a Brexit let alone one that has no legitimate mandate.

I'm not reading much into polls, as I said, and the mandate was given in 2016, prior to that vote, by leaflet, advertising
and public statements, the government and opposition agreed to honour the result.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Not as much as used to, we've diverted an awful lot of it through France and the Netherlands.

Define awful lot, because the last stats I saw was about 17% in terms of container count was moved onto direct shipping routes.

 

[Vic]

Not as much as used to, we've diverted an awful lot of it through France and the Netherlands.

It's one good thing to come out of Brexit - fewer HGVs on the M6 and M62 (and should make our trip to Norwich easier without all those Irish lorries heading for Felixstowe). Not so good for transport cafes on the route.

 

[aguero93:20]

Define awful lot, because the last stats I saw was about 17% in terms of container count was moved onto direct shipping routes.

17% of overall freight I believe not 17% of what was going through the UK. More will be moved. There'll be disruption but we've got the available solutions progressing well.

 

[Vic]

Define awful lot, because the last stats I saw was about 17% in terms of container count was moved onto direct shipping routes.

Ah, but that's just in preparation - wait till we leave with no deal (put the Irish land train through customs delays and costs at Dover / Felixstowe and Dublin and see that fugure change).

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

17% of overall freight I believe not 17% of what was going through the UK. More will be moved. There'll be disruption but we've got the available solutions progressing well.

Where did you get 17% from? I just made it up from some figures I'd seen on the BBC from a 2018 article but with you quoting it, it suggests you have some sources.

 

[BobKowalski]

Reading further, it looks like both Governments say they will do nothing for a temporary period if a no deal brexit happens. The Irish will hope that the consequences of a no deal brexit will have the UK back at the negotiating table smartish. The UK will feel that the onus on finding a solution will rest with the EU and we can carry on pretty much regardless. Unless of course bombs start to go off.

Our entire strategy for no deal is to ignore the Irish border problem and hope the French play nice and don’t squeeze the Dover/Calais chokepoint none of which is sustainable. The reality is that we need a deal with the EU and whether we do this before or after we leave is up to us. Doing it after we leave is dumb but hey that’s the Brexit way.

 

[Vic]

It will Anyone who doesn't realise this is deluded beyond help. This goes both ways btw

I did quote Henning Wehn. The referendum question should have been "Do you want to stay in the EU or do you want never-ending palaver?"

 

[BobKowalski]

I'm not reading much into polls, as I said, and the mandate was given in 2016, prior to that vote, by leaflet, advertising
and public statements, the government and opposition agreed to honour the result.

No deal has no legitimate mandate. Leave campaign promised a deal prior to leaving. The 2017 GE committed all main Parties other than the Tories to block a no deal exit. The Tory Govt headed by May looked at no deal and ran away.

You want a no deal exit then seek an electoral mandate first.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Ah, but that's just in preparation - wait till we leave with no deal (put the Irish land train through customs delays and costs at Dover / Felixstowe and Dublin and see that fugure change).

So they'll have the remaining 83% done by 1st November using quicker, cheaper & reliable routes. Good for them.

I'm not arguing for or against using this as a bargaining tool, I'm discussing an actual situation and what could occur. Perhaps the UK government knows this and are assuming the EU won't do anything about the borders until they know the Irish have workable alternatives in place. Or maybe the EU will just compensate any loss of trade, who knows. Personally if it means less traffic on the roads, I'm all for it.