Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

The day after on here will be joyous if it happens.

They maybe a gif or two posted as well.

I wonder if Bob will be "smoking a big fat cigar" as he previously mentioned (when he was extremely confident we weren't leaving). Not too many signs of Cuban's finest export in them there Kowalski posts these days. I wonder why...

I see we're back to "we won, you lost, suck it up" that poisioned any chance of Remainers' accepting the result on the basis that indeed when we left it would be (as promised) with a deal that meant we were still in a FTZ from Iceland to the Russian border.

Hammond on the radio this a.m. reminding us that two months ago Gove couldn't support No Deal because the leave campaign made that promise. It wasn't in his article: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...l&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&CMP=GTUK_email

 

[Ancient Citizen]

No deal has no legitimate mandate. Leave campaign promised a deal prior to leaving. The 2017 GE committed all main Parties other than the Tories to block a no deal exit. The Tory Govt headed by May looked at no deal and ran away.

You want a no deal exit then seek an electoral mandate first.

This is your interpretation only, the remain campaign, backed by the Government issued threats, they didn't
work. What was said in the campaigning by both sides means nothing, if these provisos are not included on the
ballot paper. The ballot paper said nothing at all about deals, as you know, but choose to dismiss.

 

[BobKowalski]

Lol. Read my post again - slowly this time. It appears we are pretty much in agreement. Maybe it's not just me who has no idea what they are talking about?

You seriously expect me to fall for that disingenuous shite you were peddling in which you get to air your nonsense and end with a ‘of course I rise above it and only think of the positives for our wonderful Health service’ bollocks?

Full marks for optimism but you post shite you get a kicking.

 

[aguero93:20]

Where did you get 17% from? I just made it up from some figures I'd seen on the BBC from a 2018 article but with you quoting it, it suggests you have some sources.

I wasn't sure on the exact figures but it was somewhere around that mark diverted last I checked (made possible through upgrades at Cork) with more to come on stream. It may well be ahead of that now. It's as easy for us to send freight through France as it is through the UK if Cork and Waterford have the required capacity and the Netherlands/ Rotterdam while being a longer sea journey has the capacity to handle everything else from Rosslaire and Dublin. We should have the customs problem sorted in 12-18 months, that leaves us with tariff and non tariff blocks on 11% of our overall exports (to the UK), which we'll only sort out by finding alternative markets and the inevitable supply chain issues with NI and UK companies which will probably be sorted by manufacturing bases and depots relocating to within the CU.

 

[Vic]

We are being 'sold' to the Americans by the Ideological madness of the tories.... there's no point in a trade deal with the Eu

Even Johnson isn't saying that.

 

[BobKowalski]

I wonder if Bob will be "smoking a big fat cigar" as he previously mentioned (when he was extremely confident we weren't leaving). Not too many signs of Cuban's finest export in them there Kowalski posts these days. I wonder why...

I was extremely confident that we weren’t leaving when the exit day of 29th March rolled by and we *checks notes* didn’t actually leave. You remember that day? Can’t recall laughing so hard as I did that day. Good times. Looking forward to the sequel on 31st October.

 

[BobKowalski]

You're right. I made it all up. There are no immigration problems with the EU and the UK. I imagined it all (or read about it in the Daily Telegraph/Express/Mail). I have never had to deal with the impact of EU immigrant families falsely claiming residency in this country. It was all a dream.

You are right. You never had to deal with the impact of EU immigrant families falsely claiming residency.

 

[BobKowalski]

This is your interpretation only, the remain campaign, backed by the Government issued threats, they didn't
work. What was said in the campaigning by both sides means nothing, if these provisos are not included on the
ballot paper. The ballot paper said nothing at all about deals, as you know, but choose to dismiss.

No this is not my interpretation. These are facts. Leave campaign promised a deal prior to leaving. The GE of 2017 returned a majority in votes for parties who rejected a no deal exit. You want a no deal exit then get a popular mandate.

 

[Vic]

This is your interpretation only, the remain campaign, backed by the Government issued threats, they didn't
work. What was said in the campaigning by both sides means nothing, if these provisos are not included on the
ballot paper. The ballot paper said nothing at all about deals, as you know, but choose to dismiss.

Ballot question:
Do you want to live or die?
I'll vote for death.
(3 years later.) It's time to die.
What? You promised it would be an easy death, not a slow, lingering, painful death.
The sort of death wasn't on the ballot paper.

 

[blueparrot]

I was extremely confident that we weren’t leaving when the exit day of 29th March rolled by and we *checks notes* didn’t actually leave. You remember that day? Can’t recall laughing so hard as I did that day. Good times. Looking forward to the sequel on 31st October.

Haven't we had the sequel, October is the trilogy.

 

[west didsblue]

From the Fail this morning:

'Boris Johnson 'believes the EU will cave in and give a new and improved Brexit deal at the eleventh hour because Ireland would be "f****d" by No Deal'

source - leaked by a 'cabinet minister'. This serves as diplomacy in the UK.
I would have thought that as a member state, Ireland will get significant assistance from the EU in case of a 'no deal' and that we would hurt far more than the Irish in terms of pure economic activity.

I'm just trying to think through the consequences of a no deal on the Irish Border. If it actually happens, the UK will do nothing and the EU will have to fairly quickly put in place some kind of customs barrier to protect its integrity. The GFA goes out of the window and the British press have a field day pointing at the EU and screaming its there fault. Massive disruption ensues and a potential return of the troubles. Would the EU announce a transition period where the border remains open and they hope that negotiations will fix things and come up with a solution. Either way, its going to be an unholy mess. Or do I have this wrong?

What a strategy!
Blackmailing the EU with hard times for one of its members if they don't cave in.
Do they not know how ridiculous this is?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

No this is not my interpretation. These are facts. Leave campaign promised a deal prior to leaving. The GE of 2017 returned a majority in votes for parties who rejected a no deal exit. You want a no deal exit then get a popular mandate.

The GE returned a Conservative government, even discounting the fact that Labour has consistently said it
would honour the referendum, adding up the losers of the GE to reach your own conclusions doesn't work I'm
afraid. To be as blunt as yourself, you lost, we got the mandate, you not accepting it means rock all, there won't
be another referendum.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Even Johnson isn't saying that.

Watch what the Conservatives do .... not what they say.

 

[blueparrot]

The GE returned a Conservative government, even discounting the fact that Labour has consistently said it
would honour the referendum, adding up the losers of the GE to reach your own conclusions doesn't work I'm
afraid. To be as blunt as yourself, you lost, we got the mandate, you not accepting it means rock all, there won't
be another referendum.

You can't possibly say whether there will or won't be a referendum, because of the precarious state of the government you can't even say who the government will be in 3 months time.

 

[BobKowalski]

The GE returned a Conservative government, even discounting the fact that Labour has consistently said it
would honour the referendum, adding up the losers of the GE to reach your own conclusions doesn't work I'm
afraid. To be as blunt as yourself, you lost, we got the mandate, you not accepting it means rock all, there won't
be another referendum.

You got a mandate three years ago to leave the EU. You have no mandate to leave the EU without a deal. You did not get one in 2016 nor in 2017. This is fact.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

What a strategy!
Blackmailing the EU with hard times for one of its members if they don't cave in.
Do they not know how ridiculous this is?

The EU, at present are not re opening discussions, not us, them. As the 'Deal' negotiated has been rejected, by my side,
your side, in fact everyone's side, this deal is dead, so for any further negotiation to take place, the EU will have to change
stance, otherwise, we leave without one, as is written into law.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The GE returned a Conservative government, even discounting the fact that Labour has consistently said it
would honour the referendum, adding up the losers of the GE to reach your own conclusions doesn't work I'm
afraid. To be as blunt as yourself, you lost, we got the mandate, you not accepting it means rock all, there won't
be another referendum.

If the country returned a Conservative Government with a mandate why did they have to spend £1 billion of taxpayers money bribing the DUP? Just asking for a friend

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The EU, at present are not re opening discussions, not us, them. As the 'Deal' negotiated has been rejected, by my side,
your side, in fact everyone's side, this deal is dead, so for any further negotiation to take place, the EU will have to change
stance, otherwise, we leave without one, as is written into law.

Why should the EU change stance?

 

[BobKowalski]

Haven't we had the sequel, October is the trilogy.

Yeah but the sequel wasn’t box office. This time it’s being badged as the big one and may involve mild peril.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Ballot question:
Do you want to live or die?
I'll vote for death.
(3 years later.) It's time to die.
What? You promised it would be an easy death, not a slow, lingering, painful death.
The sort of death wasn't on the ballot paper.

A gif would be hilarious here, but the snowflakes get all upset by them.