Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

It'll hit your trade in that scenario but not too badly. Think that's a very optimistic scenario under no deal though. Then you get to non tariff and regulatory issues which is where the real pain lies, along with none of your services companies being able to operate outside the UK.

Worry about yourselves or not as it seems as any issues that you claim the UK will face wont ever be an issue for Ireland.

 

[Metal Biker]

Not that I'm speaking to them personally, but your government.

Yeha because our Government, Parliament, and Parliamentarians in general really listen to the public at present, don't they.

If you're arguing about the Government, complain directly to them. We don't speak for anyone but ourselves on here but you're acting like we're responsible. Oh wait, we've had this discussion already, haven't we.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Economics would mean the Republic wouldn't be keen for anything other than a symbolic union at the moment.

The levels of planning and research, which unsurprisingly weren't done for Brexit, would take years alone.

Agree.
It’s not something we’d rush headlong into.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Exactly. A compromise needed and their views heard. Explain that to the blowhards pushing for no deal.

Its a game of poker the more likely a no deal, the more likely a deal will come. Which any sensible person wants.

At least the eu know we are serious now. It will get sorted. It has to. German in recession and the uk on the brink is a good thing at the moment as it means they have to try and be sensible.

 

[blueinsa]

Its a game of poker the more likely a no deal, the more likely a deal will come. Which any sensible person wants.

At least the eu know we are serious now. It will get sorted. It has to. German in recession and the uk on the brink is a good thing at the moment as it means they have to try and be sensible.

Finally!

 

[aguero93:20]

Worry about yourselves or not as it seems as any issues that you claim the UK will face wont ever be an issue for Ireland.

They will be, but they'll only affect 11% of our trade. They'll affect 40%+ of yours and that's before you get to the countries outside the EU that you trade with through EU trade deals.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

14 hours to France, only a couple of hours longer than going through the UK. How long does it take to go from Cork to Rotterdam through the UK?

I make it 17hrs Cork to Brest (322 nm), with that being the largest port in the top left of France, I've no idea of its facilities.

If we go Dublin to Holyhead, thats 58nm, say 5hrs on a slower ship and less cruising speed, Holyhead to Hull is 225 miles, say 6hrs, Hull to Rotterdam is 311nm, 17hrs = 28hrs total.
Hull to Dover is 380 miles, 11hrs, Dover to Calais is 27nm, 3hrs = 19hrs total. It will come down to delays at customs, sailing times etc. and travel times within France and the final destinations.

Fascinating stuff. There's a ship tracker website which is a bit like flightradar. Think that's how Lukaku got transferred.

 

[aguero93:20]

Its a game of poker the more likely a no deal, the more likely a deal will come. Which any sensible person wants.

At least the eu know we are serious now. It will get sorted. It has to. German in recession and the uk on the brink is a good thing at the moment as it means they have to try and be sensible.

No, the closer we get to October 31st with Johnson acting the ****, the closer and more likely no deal gets.

 

[Metal Biker]

They will be, but they'll only affect 11% of our trade. They'll affect 40%+ of yours and that's before you get to the countries outside the EU that you trade with through EU trade deals.

Like... The United States?

 

[Metal Biker]

No, the closer we get to October 31st with Johnson acting the ****, the closer and more likely no deal gets.

How "cuntish" has he been acting, exactly?

All i've heard him saying is the WA is dead, we need a new deal or we leave without one. He's being realistic in that regard. He's not saying we will leave without one or he wants to, he's pointing out what's at stake and for both sides to put petty pride aside, reach a trade deal, sort out the economy matters first and foremost.

 

[west didsblue]

I make it 17hrs Cork to Brest (322 nm), with that being the largest port in the top left of France, I've no idea of its facilities.

If we go Dublin to Holyhead, thats 58nm, say 5hrs on a slower ship and less cruising speed, Holyhead to Hull is 225 miles, say 6hrs, Hull to Rotterdam is 311nm, 17hrs = 28hrs total.
Hull to Dover is 380 miles, 11hrs, Dover to Calais is 27nm, 3hrs = 19hrs total. It will come down to delays at customs, sailing times etc. and travel times within France and the final destinations.

Fascinating stuff. There's a ship tracker website which is a bit like flightradar. Think that's how Lukaku got transferred.

In summary, the road network of the UK is not quite as indispensable to the RoI as some would have us believe.

 

[west didsblue]

How "cuntish" has he been acting, exactly?

All i've heard him saying is the WA is dead, we need a new deal or we leave without one. He's being realistic in that regard. He's not saying we will leave without one or he wants to, he's pointing out what's at stake and for both sides to put petty pride aside, reach a trade deal, sort out the economy matters first and foremost.

There's one example.

 

[Ban-jani]

Correct

We are in a right mess.

The problem is even if the eu came back and removed the backstop and gave us a more favourable deal , with a majority of 1 there is absolutely no chance labour the snp, Lib Dem’s are going to support it. They just are not. Labour will do anything to shit on the Tories as will the snp.

There are those who just want to remain and will do anything to get that position. There are those who just want to leave want that at at any cost

Those who want to leave with a deal ( you know the soft brexit the sensible compromise to a divided nation) are pissing in the wind. We could present the most sensible deal to the commons to end this situation and it will get voted down.

We are going to get to October and all be scratching our heads as to what the hell we do now and it will be extended and so it will go on.....

I don’t disagree with this, actually, it’s a good assessment.

We’re politically polarised for the next generation.

 

[blueinsa]

No, the closer we get to October 31st with Johnson acting the ****, the closer and more likely no deal gets.

Not the political or economic reality I'm afraid.

Varadkar isn't going to throw the Irish economy under the bus just to please those in Brussels.

 

[west didsblue]

Like... The United States?

No

 

[Saddleworth2]

WA has been rejected by Parliament and the person who proposed it no longer in a position to command it.

The WA is dead, and if a deal is to be concluded, new negotiations must start. BoJo advocated a Canada type deal, EU offered May a Canada type deal, but she rejected it.

WA is dead, move forward with a Canada deal.

Then Johnson should stop all the nonsense about no deal, remove the red lines and ask the EU for an extension so that we can negotiate what changes are required to the WA based on a Canada agreement in the future. He would have to involve cross party though if he want to get it through the HoC.

 

[aguero93:20]

How "cuntish" has he been acting, exactly?

All i've heard him saying is the WA is dead, we need a new deal or we leave without one.

You can ask GDM for the first one.

If he wants a new deal he can make some fresh concessions instead of demanding unicorns. That's how this works. He and the Tories have created a situation whereby there's quite a few EU countries happy to see a no deal. Any new negotiations will require a significant extension which will require significant signs that something will change. Rabbiting on about technology that doesn't exist and won't in the next decade and leaving on October 31st at all costs and then turning around and asking for an extension won't work.

 

[aguero93:20]

In summary, the road network of the UK is not quite as indispensable to the RoI as some would have us believe.

Not once we've upgraded southern port facilities fully which tbh we've needed to do for a long fucking time.

 

[aguero93:20]

Not the political or economic reality I'm afraid.

Varadkar isn't going to throw the Irish economy under the bus just to please those in Brussels.

No but 36% of MEPs including your UKIP ones might, or a third of the commission, if they don't believe there's a workable way forward.

 

[BobKowalski]

To facilitate trade you need a trade deal, nothing more.

No. This is so wrong it needs to have a special podium built for the most wrong things ever said.

To facilitate trade via an FTA, Single Market or whatever you still need to cede sovereignty. To facilitate trade you need to reduce barriers around the markets in question which by definition compromises sovereignty. The more you facilitate trade the more sovereignty you need to cede.

The EU’s aim of eliminating all barriers to goods, services, capital and people and creating a unified pan European market is not only commendable but achievable. To stand outside of that and be surrounded by nations that are part of it is rank stupidity. And that is why Brexit is proving so problematic to achieve. It is difficult to put in place an act of rank stupidity.