Another new Brexit thread

[Metal Biker]

As long as they bring the city of London and it’s financial centre with them they would be most welcome :-)

They wouldn't. That would stay down here.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Many SNP voters voted to leave the EU too. For different reasons and goals, obviously, but there are SNP leavers.

Are the SNP ignoring those 1 million Scots wishes? Have they a compromise to present for Scottish leave voters, if they're meant to represent the views of all Scottish voters?

Just as much as Labour and the Tories are ignoring Remain voters.
It’s a circular argument. Are you saying that the SNP should support leave?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

The Brady amendment passed, so there is a majority for something, the WA minus the backstop. So makes perfect sense to remove it and get on and negotiate a deal that will protect British and Irish jobs, meaning the border can stay open and the backstop is not needed.

You should go into politics . Happy with that although I would like more commitment on the shape of our trade deal if we can. That’s the bloody important bit , that isn’t even legally binding. Everyone focussed on the withdrawal agreement but we don’t have an actual trade deal just a political declaration.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

To facilitate trade you need a trade deal, nothing more.

Incorrect.... you cannot have a trade deal without laws.... and inspections to ensure quality .

 

[johnnytapia]

Do you honestly think that of those who voted to leave "few cared about" FoM and Immigration? All the evidence points the other way - this report is into a post referendum survey which shows evidence that wasn't the case

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...in-reason-european-union-survey-a7811651.html

And the fastest growing newly launched party is the BP - this article re-iterates Farage's views on immigrants and people flocked to him and his party in only a few months

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...erver-view-on-european-elections-nigel-farage

Like it or not the truth is that immigrants, FoM - just foreigners in general was what drove an awful lot of Leave voters

To paraphrase Blair, the 3 reasons given by most leave voters:
Immigration
Immigration
Immigration
It was the number 1 reason I voted leave.

 

[Saddleworth2]

They wouldn't. That would stay down here.

Mate, you are confusing what I am writing with being serious. It was started by the view that SNP don’t have a mandate to support Remain.

 

[blueinsa]

Incorrect.... you cannot have a trade deal without laws.... and inspections to ensure quality .

Yeah thats nothing to do with the question of sovereignty i was discussing but thanks.

 

[west didsblue]

To paraphrase Blair, the 3 reasons given by most leave voters:
Immigration
Immigration
Immigration
It was the number 1 reason I voted leave.

You'd better tell Meme Boy.

 

[Metal Biker]

It's very much a far right cabinet. Have you seen their track records?

Care to give some examples, because I can't exactly see where the Fascism is in conservatism.

 

[Ban-jani]

To paraphrase Blair, the 3 reasons given by most leave voters:
Immigration
Immigration
Immigration
It was the number 1 reason I voted leave.

And it’s been pointed out to you why it’s an utterly bullshit reason to vote leave.

Your government has the ability and the power to control immigration and doesn’t. They could bring the vast majority of migration down to a standstill but don’t.

You shouldn’t be pointing your finger at the EU, it should be at Westminster.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Which everyone has now rejected including rejecting the person themselves who came up with it.

EU wants a deal, we want a deal, May's deal has gone, May herself has gone. Time for new deal discussions focussing on trade, the main issue that matters.

So another 2-3 years then?
Then what? Decide on something else that your parliament won't pass.

Sort yourselves out first.

 

[aguero93:20]

There absolutely is in UK law.

Parliament voted for it and the EU is well aware of that fact.

Parliament also instructed Johnson to seek an extension.

 

[Metal Biker]

The votes have been cross party and haven't even gained the support of the governing party as there's been no attempt to take into account the views of parliament and the nation. Just the Tory party membership

Because May's WA was an absolute disaster and didn't ensure the UK left the EU.

 

[blueinsa]

Just as much as Labour and the Tories are ignoring Remain voters.
It’s a circular argument. Are you saying that the SNP should support leave?

They can support whatever they like but the nation voted, parliament has debated and parliament then voted to trigger A50 to leave with a default of leaving with no deal if it was needed.

The SNP are part and parcel of that whole process.

 

[aguero93:20]

The Brady amendment passed, so there is a majority for something, the WA minus the backstop. So makes perfect sense to remove it and get on and negotiate a deal that will protect British and Irish jobs, meaning the border can stay open and the backstop is not needed.

So what's the workable, realistic and achievable alternative to the backstop?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Who is advocating for no deal that you are speaking to right now?

Remainers "compromise" to leavers is "we don't leave the EU".

Leavers compromise is "let's do a deal that continues tarriff free trade as much as possible and fuck up the Good Friday Agreement whilst we are about it".

Corrected for you .... you have absolutely no idea about the issues of National Identity in Northern Ireland

 

[Metal Biker]

So another 2-3 years then?
Then what? Decide on something else that your parliament won't pass.

Sort yourselves out first.

"Yourselves"?

Wait a moment, you were just saying that NI was part of the UK and were annoyed(?) that "Englanders" don't see NI as part of the UK fully, right? So which is it? Should be sort "ourselves" out, correct?

 

[aguero93:20]

So another 2-3 years then?
Then what? Decide on something else that your parliament won't pass.

Sort yourselves out first.

Yep, at some stage they need to start looking closer to home rather than trying to externalise the blame.

 

[Metal Biker]

Corrected for you .... you have absolutely no idea about the issues of National Identity in Northern Ireland

Yeah, because I don't live there and believe the concept itself to be outdated in the 21st Century in an ever increasing globalised world.

Then again, does this mean you now empathise with those of us who refuse to be called "European" when we don't see ourselves as such? All these hypocrisies going around, it's hard to keep up what your stance is.

 

[west didsblue]

The Brady amendment passed, so there is a majority for something, the WA minus the backstop. So makes perfect sense to remove it and get on and negotiate a deal that will protect British and Irish jobs, meaning the border can stay open and the backstop is not needed.

Yep there's a majority for something intangible. That's what the Brady amendment was and what Brexit is all about.