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Blueknows said:
Shameful why ? it happens every year.....don't be fooled by the dog whistling of the snowflake left...………..they've had 3 and a half years to sort this out
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Come off it,we are in a crisis and he doesn't want anyone to be able to shut him down,at a time of crisis he is totally out of order to shut the place down
 
bluethrunthru said:
Poor Godfrey - he seems to think he is calling the shots.......a Napoleon Complex maybe?

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Wow. I think he's suggesting use of the Civil Contingencies Act. But for that to be invoked to force through Brexit, there has to be or might be
(a)loss of human life,

(b)human illness or injury,

(c)homelessness,

(d)damage to property,

(e)disruption of a supply of money, food, water, energy or fuel,

(f)disruption of a system of communication,

(g)disruption of facilities for transport, or

(h)disruption of services relating to health.

So he seems to be saying that as all these things might happen under Brexit, we have to Brexit!

The Sun will run with that (not in Scottish or Irish editions of course)
 
The next 5 weeks there is going to be dirty, spiteful, hateful unofficial election campaigning.

It's up to the public, on both sides of the argument to call it out.

I'm dreading it alone with a GE.
 
M18CTID said:
I just don't see how anyone could renege on the result this far down the line without it causing serious disorder. We can argue about the respective campaigns until we're blue in the face but the fact is more people voted Leave than Remain. Even as a Leave voter I don't think it was right to put such a complicated topic up for referendum with a simple Yes/No option on the ballot paper, without a lengthy debate beforehand, and without an impartial body doing it's best to explain the pros and cons to the general public, but that's what happened and that's the result that was returned, and since then the narrative from both the main parties has been to acknowledge that result and to seek to exit the EU on the best possible terms.
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The biggest cockup was not confirming a refefendum on the final outcome.

That's not due to the leave campaign, they are such cunts that the main leaders wanted a 2nd referendum, because they thought they would lose the 1st, in Farage's case, he said a 60 40 vote was needed & ironically, 52/48 would not cut it.

It's wankers like Cameron, who assumed they would win & therefore never considered the shitstorm which would be left if they didn't.

But the referendum was flawed for the reasons you state & there should be another one to determine whether the final 'deal' is perferable, to not leaving at all . That should always have been the case, as the original was open to interpretation to suit any agenda, & simply because Cameron didn't have the brains to think it through, doesn't make another 'undemocratic'. It's the opposite.

If the parties will state exactly where they stand, at the general election, then that would make it even more democratic.
 
Neville Kneville said:
The biggest cockup was not confirming a refefendum on the final outcome.

That's not due to the leave campaign, they are such cunts that the main leaders wanted a 2nd referendum, because they thought they would lose the 1st, in Farage's case, he said a 60 40 vote was needed & ironically, 52/48 would not cut it.

It's wankers like Cameron, who assumed they would win & therefore never considered the shitstorm which would be left if they didn't.

But the referendum was flawed for the reasons you state & there should be another one to determine whether the final 'deal' is perferable, to not leaving at all rather. That should always have been the case, as the original was open to interpretation to suit any agenda, & simply because Cameron didn't have the brains to think it through, doesn't make another 'undemocratic'. It's the opposite.

If the parties will state exactly where they stand, at the general election, then that would make it even more democratic.
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If there were to be a 2nd referendum between the final “deal” and Remain, would there be anyone prepared to lead the “deal” campaign?
 
I suspect that Boris will have worded that slimy French twat Macron who will veto and out we will go without a deal. There will be much uproar a general election will be called and amidst the outrage and election will be called and Corbyn will win.

This in turn will cause economic catastrophe, the lefties will blame it all on the Tories as the country descends into chaos violence and class and ethnic conflict.
 
bluejon said:
Bercow's stepping down end of next month.
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aguerrrroooooooooooo said:


On the subject of bercow leaving
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This is like the death of Mercutio, the light hearted, comedic element of the story is being killed off so we can descend fully into tragedy and despair as parliament and the 2 main parties tear themselves apart over Brexit.

Post October 31st parliament is going to a total shitshow and no place for Bercow's viral moments.
 
domalino said:
This is like the death of Mercutio, the light hearted, comedic element of the story is being killed off so we can descend fully into tragedy and despair as parliament and the 2 main parties tear themselves apart over Brexit.

Post October 31st parliament is going to a total shitshow and no place for Bercow's viral moments.
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A shame as he has done a decent job under extreme pressure.

Convention dictates that the role should sit with a Labour MP going forward. Any thoughts BoJo might try and stick his oar in!!!!
 
purplenose said:
I suspect that Boris will have worded that slimy French twat Macron who will veto and out we will go without a deal. There will be much uproar a general election will be called and amidst the outrage and election will be called and Corbyn will win.

This in turn will cause economic catastrophe, the lefties will blame it all on the Tories as the country descends into chaos violence and class and ethnic conflict.
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I love a bit of optimism on a Monday.
 
purplenose said:
I suspect that Boris will have worded that slimy French twat Macron who will veto and out we will go without a deal. There will be much uproar a general election will be called and amidst the outrage and election will be called and Corbyn will win.

This in turn will cause economic catastrophe, the lefties will blame it all on the Tories as the country descends into chaos violence and class and ethnic conflict.
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No.
 
Brexit continues to swallow up more political figures


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M18CTID said:
I don't think there are too many people out there who think once we're out then that's that and we return to normality instantly. You only have to look at the past 3 and a bit years to see that it's been a long drawn out process and we're not even out yet, and as such many more people will be aware of the complexities and timescales involved in leaving, and Farage himself will be aware of that. Not to give him any credit, but people all over the country are sick of hearing about it, and while it obviously doesn't go away the minute we leave, people are fed up of it dominating the headlines regardless of which way they voted. I know Remainers (and pretty staunch ones at that), who want this resolved one way or another - be it in, out, or shake it all about - so we can move onto the next step.
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I accept we need to move on and heal, but no deal will almost certainly make that impossible, especially if the consequences are severe.

imo, the only way to resolve this is to leave with as soft a deal as possible. That will (quite properly) respect the vote whilst to a significant extent taking into account the wishes of the other 48%. Any other outcome will be dangerously divisive.

So I'm well aware that people want it over, and want us to 'get on with it', but they are going to have to suck it up for a bit longer if the country is not going to be hampered by this for the next generation, and if that take a another two years, or more to achieve, then so be it, as the alternative won't be at all pretty.
 
Neville Kneville said:
The biggest cockup was not confirming a refefendum on the final outcome.

That's not due to the leave campaign, they are such cunts that the main leaders wanted a 2nd referendum, because they thought they would lose the 1st, in Farage's case, he said a 60 40 vote was needed & ironically, 52/48 would not cut it.

It's wankers like Cameron, who assumed they would win & therefore never considered the shitstorm which would be left if they didn't.

But the referendum was flawed for the reasons you state & there should be another one to determine whether the final 'deal' is perferable, to not leaving at all . That should always have been the case, as the original was open to interpretation to suit any agenda, & simply because Cameron didn't have the brains to think it through, doesn't make another 'undemocratic'. It's the opposite.

If the parties will state exactly where they stand, at the general election, then that would make it even more democratic.
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Yeah, I'm not against the idea of a referendum on the final deal but I reckon that horse has bolted unless a future government fancies incurring the wrath of the public. This should've been done way back when Cameron was around but as you say his arrogance got the better of him and he thought it was in the bag.
 
Ban-jani said:
I love a bit of optimism on a Monday.
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Well I do wonder at what point all those still arguing the toss about this whole Brexit issue will realise that the divisions are so great now that which ever way it pans out stay or leave those who end up disappointed are going to sabotage any hope of either side being proved right.

If we stay there will be those who will make no secret of their efforts to scupper the EU, if we leave those who wish to remain will continue to poison a post EU Britain. Tell me I am wrong and back it up.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Was listening to the radio this morning and an interesting possibility was raised that I had not heard of before.
After a no deal we could come to a 'stand-still agreement' with the E.U for 12 months.
Basically we carry on as normal with the E.U with our current relationship on temporary life support for 12 months, however we are out and remain is no longer a possibility (bar rejoining)
This then gives the government 12 months to negotiate some form of a deal with the E.U
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Yeah. It’s called leaving with a deal. As in a ‘standstill agreement’ is by anyone’s definition a ‘deal’. Any standstill agreement has to have a legal basis and that legal basis has to be agreed by both sides. The legal basis for reaching such agreement will include in no particular order. A settlement of financial liabilities, payment for continued membership of the Single Market, citizens rights and some legal guarantee on the Irish Border. We could call it a backstop.

Finally the idea we will reach any agreement with the EU in 12 months is laughable. It’s taken us nearly three years to sign off on a withdrawal agreement which only relates to three provisions and we still haven’t done it.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I accept we need to move on and heal, but no deal will almost certainly make that impossible, especially if the consequences are severe.

imo, the only way to resolve this is to leave with as soft a deal as possible. That will (quite properly) respect the vote whilst to a significant extent taking into account the wishes of the other 48%. Any other outcome will be dangerously divisive.

So I'm well aware that people want it over, and want us to 'get on with it', but they are going to have to suck it up for a bit longer if the country is not going to be hampered by this for the next generation, and if that take a another two years, or more to achieve, then so be it, as the alternative won't be at all pretty.
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Absolutely. No deal or ignoring the vote and cancelling Brexit are the 2 outcomes that I feel would cause the most trouble. While part of me wants to get on with it, I can also cope with a shit load more extensions as I never fully believed we would end up leaving anyway!

It's going to be interesting how it all pans out - I suspect we'll be in for a while yet but will be out eventually with some kind of deal
 
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