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purplenose said:
How many goals will City score against West Ham in the next five years? Well any answer you give would be a pure guess, any answer I gave you would be a pure guess.

As it is I think it has already begun to come apart. Regardless of whether we leave or not 17 odd million people went to the polls and declared it a crock of shit. Thats without taking into account the rise of extreme political groups left and right across the continent, then we have increasingly terminal divides in not just our country but several others including France and Germany.

Then of course there is increasing economic gloom in Europe which is hardly surprising as three countries cannot carry several others who simply have not got the same capacity as others.

As it heads to more federalisation there increases the risk of conflict with Russia.

The EU aims to change and control how people of all kinds of nationality and ethnic, political and religious leanings live their lives. The clear signs that across Europe are against that are being ignored and something will give.

I have yet to hear one argument outlining how the EU can make countries as different as France Germany, Bulgaria, Albania (i know but it wont be long) all live and work under the same set of rules. It is inevitably failing.
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WOW!

Have we as a country really entered the world of Phantasmagoria.

I could spend weeks pulling this post to pieces and I don't mind leaving the EU.
 
mcfc1632 said:
As an aside - I saw a post from @Rascal - not sure which thread - commenting on his absence from the forum and how he will likely leave again because since his return he has noticed what a right-wing dominated place the forum is.

I quickly thought - WTF!!!!! - just what was it like before then????

For a 'normal centrist' fella like myself and quite a few others these political threads scream out what a left dominated forum this is

People seem to be in competition to prove that they are more left than others - who are indeed themselves left-biased

It is just a simple fact that 'normal centrist' people must seem like RWNJs to them
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You were not on here when I was considered right wing :))
 
purplenose said:
I am sure you and even the dunces at the back know full well to whom I refer. But to set you off in the right direction the words Irish Republicans should be suffice.
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I take it you are against independence from an overarching centralised state then and don't believe in self determination for subjugated nations.

Strange really, I am sure you were arguing that is why we should leave the EU
 
struggling to understand the way people like Andrew Pierce just dismiss the Yellowhammer revelations - he accepts that there will be delays on day one and agrees that will result in delays to stuff like cancer treatments that ( like many other things ) have a short shelf life then goes on to stuff about Remainers and Project Fear. One assumes he has no loved ones currently receiving cancer treatment and is a fully paid up member of the Selfish Cunts Club.
 
bluethrunthru said:
struggling to understand the way people like Andrew Pierce just dismiss the Yellowhammer revelations - he accepts that there will be delays on day one and agrees that will result in delays to stuff like cancer treatments that ( like many other things ) have a short shelf life then goes on to stuff about Remainers and Project Fear. One assumes he has no loved ones currently receiving cancer treatment and is a fully paid up member of the Selfish Cunts Club.
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I find this handy....

This checklist identifies the following as the symptoms and signs of psychopathy:
  • Superficial charm and glibness.
  • Inflated sense of self-worth.
  • Constant need for stimulation.
  • Lying pathologically.
  • Conning others; being manipulative.
  • Lack of remorse or guilt.
  • Shallow emotions.
  • Callousness; lack of empathy.
 
bluethrunthru said:
struggling to understand the way people like Andrew Pierce just dismiss the Yellowhammer revelations - he accepts that there will be delays on day one and agrees that will result in delays to stuff like cancer treatments that ( like many other things ) have a short shelf life then goes on to stuff about Remainers and Project Fear. One assumes he has no loved ones currently receiving cancer treatment and is a fully paid up member of the Selfish Cunts Club.
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Because he’s made a career bashing the EU and our membership - he now can’t turn around and say ‘maybe we need a rethink’ because then his phone will stop ringing
 
The perfect fumble said:
I find this handy....

This checklist identifies the following as the symptoms and signs of psychopathy:
  • Superficial charm and glibness.
  • Inflated sense of self-worth.
  • Constant need for stimulation.
  • Lying pathologically.
  • Conning others; being manipulative.
  • Lack of remorse or guilt.
  • Shallow emotions.
  • Callousness; lack of empathy.
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Are you Boris or R-M?
 
mcfc1632 said:
As an aside - I saw a post from @Rascal - not sure which thread - commenting on his absence from the forum and how he will likely leave again because since his return he has noticed what a right-wing dominated place the forum is.

I quickly thought - WTF!!!!! - just what was it like before then????

For a 'normal centrist' fella like myself and quite a few others these political threads scream out what a left dominated forum this is

People seem to be in competition to prove that they are more left than others - who are indeed themselves left-biased

It is just a simple fact that 'normal centrist' people must seem like RWNJs to them
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Im on 4 very different types of forums, and this one is significantly right wing biased in comparison, well the politics sub forum anyways.
 
Just wondering how many on here are dependent or have family members on long term life saving medication ?
bluethrunthru said:
struggling to understand the way people like Andrew Pierce just dismiss the Yellowhammer revelations - he accepts that there will be delays on day one and agrees that will result in delays to stuff like cancer treatments that ( like many other things ) have a short shelf life then goes on to stuff about Remainers and Project Fear. One assumes he has no loved ones currently receiving cancer treatment and is a fully paid up member of the Selfish Cunts Club.
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Just heard a caller on a radio phone in saying regardless of the consequences to anybody with medical needs we should “just get on with it” . Having a daughter who will need medication everyday for the rest of her life I know that if anything happened to her I would take my own retribution on these cunts with a baseball bat .
 
blueinsa said:
Will the second one be legally binding if you win but not if you lose again?
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It was decided before the first referendum that it wouldn't be binding irrespective of it's outcome eitherway, so i don't see from what perspective you could be claiming some form of hypocrisy depending on the result as you appear to do?

Personally btw. i am not in favour of non-binding referendums and as often is the case with such i think it was a matter of political dishonesty to have such a form of referendum. It should have been binding, if there was to be one in the first place atleast imho. But then again the eventuality of it being non binding also has a consequence on how i regards it's worth afterwards in relation to the decissions made by parliament legitimacy wise.
 
FlemishDuck said:
It was decided before the first referendum that it wouldn't be binding irrespective of it's outcome eitherway, so i don't see from what perspective you could be claiming some form of hypocrisy depending on the result as you appear to do?
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I am asking a question about any possible second referendum.

Will it be made legally binding beforehand? If so and leave wins we will then finally leave? Will the same politicians refuse yet again to honour the result? If it isn't legally binding but remain wins can leave then play silly games for 3 years?

I am fully aware of the promises made by every politician and party in this country pre ref and the way they gave their parliamentary sovereignty over to the people thanks very much.

Maybe you wasn't?
 
blueinsa said:
Will it be made legally binding beforehand?
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I couldn't know, all i can say is that i find a representative body issueing non binding referendums over such passionate matters seems rather "cowardly" to me.

I added in the previous post: Personally btw. i am not in favour of non-binding referendums and as often is the case with such i think it was a matter of political dishonesty to have such a form of referendum. It should have been binding, if there was to be one in the first place atleast imho. But then again the eventuality of it being non binding also has a consequence on how i regards it's worth afterwards in relation to the decissions made by parliament legitimacy wise.

blueinsa said:
If so and leave wins we will then finally leave?
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That is left to the question of "the form of exit". Will the people specify what sort of Brexit i the referendum, or will the question be asked about havig any form of Brexit that parliament can agree upon? The thing with a binding referendum with the question asked in the previous referendum would be that "a form of Brexit must happen" but it does not tell how and by when.

blueinsa said:
Will the same politicians refuse yet again to honour the result?
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The legallity of any referendum much depends on the detail of it, but then again it would perhaps also be harder to win a referendum when Brexiteers would have to specify the exact form of it aswell? If the referendum is again worded as previously, it would afcourse be open to abuse from both sides. I have to say, the interpretation of a potential no-deal brexit imho wasn't exactly what the referendum had claimed to be about, so it was also open to conservatives to give its own interpretation to it right?

blueinsa said:
If it isn't legally binding but remain wins can leave then play silly games for 3 years?
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Afcourse. Legally speaking a non binding referendum is basicly trash, it's just that they know there is also a social consequence to ignoring it all.

blueinsa said:
I am fully aware of the promises made by every politician and party in this country pre ref and the way they gave their parliamentary sovereignty over to the people thanks very much.
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How do you mean "they gave sovereignity"??? If they issue a referendum to be specificly NON BINDING??? Why didn't they make it Binding? Why? Why?????? The very difference between non binding and binding means everything in regards to "passing on sovereignity".
 
grunge said:
Im on 4 very different types of forums, and this one is significantly right wing biased in comparison, well the politics sub forum anyways.
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I wouldn't say it's 'dominated' by the right wing, it's just the same ones who keep posting & pretty much all of them would disagree.

Most right wing people don't know what right wing is & think half the Tory party falls under that banner.

When you see Theresa May as a bit of a softy Liberal, you are seriously fucked.
 
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