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Gaudion M said:
I don't think they are anywhere near a solution. The EU will not want to go into talks based on this as it has fundamental flaws - moving customs checks inland makes them ineffective, having them in first place makes the GFA redundant. They would have to move to the Irish sea which is back to where we were about 3 years ago. This proposal has not really moved things on.
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I don't think they are a soloution either. No one does. When you title a position paper with the words ‘A fair and reasonable solution’ you know from the off it won’t be.

But it does ackowledge the problem. It kills the unicorns of frictionless and tariff free trade. We now accept there will be friction in our trade, tariffs, barriers to the movement of people and the impact it will have on our service based economy, the need for a border of some kind in Ireland etc. Brexit is a losers game and we have now accepted that. Apart from Liz Truss we barely even pretend anymore that there will be benefits.

So as an opening gambit it has something for the EU. Not enough to go into intensive talks but open to discussion about its flaws and which bits are unacceptable. Like setting up a default that the DUP likes and giving them the only effective veto as a price for their support. That was dumb and will be the first thing to go along with DUP support for the deal I imagine.

I mean we have 27 days left. No one seriously imagines this will get sorted in 27 days so does presenting proposals change the thinking over tactics for Johnson? The take it or leave it element wasn’t made to the EU. Johnson even said they were open to further discussion. So how do they play the obvious need for an extension to A50?
 
Just listening to Adam Fleming in the BBC build up to the HoC Brexit debate at 11.30. The serious and reverential tones in which he talks about bits of EU bar gossip and their 'demands' etc contrasting with the openly scornful references to the UK side is par for the course for the past three years. Do they know it is their job to be impartial? Remain bias institutionalized.
 
George Hannah said:
Just listening to Adam Fleming in the BBC build up to the HoC Brexit debate at 11.30. The serious and reverential tones in which he talks about bits of EU bar gossip and their 'demands' etc contrasting with the openly scornful references to the UK side is par for the course for the past three years. Do they know it is their job to be impartial? Remain bias institutionalized.
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Aren't both the UK and the EU allowed red lines in a negotiation?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Trump has just slapped a 25% tariff on single malt scotch whiskey...just in case you thought he was a friend of ours.
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This will be Britain being punished because we’re part of the EU which has been found guilty of illegal subsidies to Airbus by the WTO? Once we’re out this tariff will be removed, not the best example of EU membership you could have found ;)
 
George Hannah said:
Just listening to Adam Fleming in the BBC build up to the HoC Brexit debate at 11.30. The serious and reverential tones in which he talks about bits of EU bar gossip and their 'demands' etc contrasting with the openly scornful references to the UK side is par for the course for the past three years. Do they know it is their job to be impartial? Remain bias institutionalized.
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Gratuitous, albeit not strictly grammatically incorrect use of ‘z’ there George.
 
hgblue said:
This will be Britain being punished because we’re part of the EU which has been found guilty of illegal subsidies to Airbus by the WTO? Once we’re out this tariff will be removed, not the best example of EU membership you could have found ;)
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We make Airbus wings. Removing the tariff implies we will no longer manufacture Airbus wings.
 

Boris doesn't want to understand.

He just wants the power. Like the **** over the pond he'll do anything to keep it. Even if that means a few geriatrics try and start another war in Ireland.
 
Bojo.

"These custom checkers will take place at the owners buisness"

Who's paying for the equipment? Sounds a bit dodgy to me
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Fuck the O.E.D.
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ISE or IZE
The O.E.D. favours universal ize, arguing that the suffix is always in its origin either Greek or Latin and in both languages it is spelt with a z. Other authorities, including most English printers, recommend universal ise. Fowler stands between these two opinions. He points out that the O.E.D.'s advice over-simplifies the problem, since there are some verbs (e.g. advertise, comprise, despise, exercise and surmise) which are never spelt ize in this country. On the other hand, he says " the difficulty of remembering which these ise verbs are is the only reason for making ise universal, and the sacrifice of significance to ease does not seem justified ".
The ABC of Plain Words, by Sir Ernest Gowers, HMSO 1951
 
mat said:
I wish I had the consistency you have had in this thread. I've flipped flopped a few times, yet you've remained steadfast in your belief that Boris is a ****.
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I have, but I did have a wobble when he first came to office, in that he seemed to start off with a degree of gusto and purpose, but I soon realised that was all bluster, and throughout, in my eyes, he remained a ****. Which is what he is: a ****.
 
George Hannah said:
ISE or IZE
The O.E.D. favours universal ize, arguing that the suffix is always in its origin either Greek or Latin and in both languages it is spelt with a z. Other authorities, including most English printers, recommend universal ise. Fowler stands between these two opinions. He points out that the O.E.D.'s advice over-simplifies the problem, since there are some verbs (e.g. advertise, comprise, despise, exercise and surmise) which are never spelt ize in this country. On the other hand, he says " the difficulty of remembering which these ise verbs are is the only reason for making ise universal, and the sacrifice of significance to ease does not seem justified ".
The ABC of Plain Words, by Sir Ernest Gowers, HMSO 1951
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Good to see you deploying yet another up to date source, George.
 
Corbyn doesn’t like this new deal it seems unfortunately

He didn’t like the previous withdrawal agreement either due to the backstop. As the problem with the backstop as it risks keeping the uk in the single market and customs union indefinitely.

Perhaps whilst opposing the deal cos it’s the Tories , he should have read it and he should have listened to what his brexit Secretary at the time on labours policy which was to keep the uk in a permanent customs union and the single market.

Doh.

Anyway here comes the Scottish Jabba.
 
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