Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

Distortion? No just lyiing. All politicians lie. Indeed, politician is simply a synonym of liar.

The distortion was yours. If you want to call it lying, ok.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The distortion was yours. If you want to call it lying, ok.

There is no other word for it. They all lied. All politicians lie.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

There is no other word for it. They all lied. All politicians lie.

I too was a staunch remainer, but we’ve voted to leave and we can’t start repairing as a nation until we do, and go on to deal with the consequences as a nation, good or bad.

It won’t finish us as a nation, of that I’m sure.

 

[Vic]

There is no other word for it. They all lied. All politicians lie.

I hate to press the point but it's not what politicians said that I called distortion. It's what you said.

 

[Coatigan]

I too was a staunch remainer, but we’ve voted to leave and we can’t start repairing as a nation until we do, and go on to deal with the consequences as a nation, good or bad.

It won’t finish us as a nation, of that I’m sure.

I used to think that, but now it is more and more apparent the division and anger in society wont be fixed by brexit, it will only make it worse, when the economy sinks along with essential services and we all have Real problems to Really be angry about, and the isolation allows the worst in peopld to be exposed. The blame starts all over again, even more extreme, and now on all sides, and the division continues.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

This clip should be posted every 5 pages to make sure people really understand the truth of what many have denied for over three years

Liar Corbyn, liar Grieve, liar Ummuna, liar McDonnell, liar Starmer, liar Hammond, liar Thornberry, liar Abbott, liar Letwin.
A few others may be missed, yet we get the same Liar shit directed at one individual.

 

[BlueHammer85]

All Boris and Farage have to do is come out of Number 10 and announce ‘we’ve left the EU!’

what leaver would notice any difference to their lives ?

all they want is to feel they’ve ‘won’ and that’s it.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Most Labour voters voted Remain.

Tough shit that millions of them didn't, even tougher shit that most Labour constituencies voted to leave.
In a couple of weeks we'll find out if they are impressed with being offered to stay in, versus really
staying in, then being told the first offer was only a joke, you need to go for the second in this referendum
we're offering you not long after.
With something as clear and concise as that, you should piss it.

 

[joe123]

All Boris and Farage have to do is come out of Number 10 and announce ‘we’ve left the EU!’

what leaver would notice any difference to their lives ?

all they want is to feel they’ve ‘won’ and that’s it.

I tend to agree, although we'll all feel it when the economy isn't growing as it could/should. It's a pity the economic fallout won't specifically affect those who voted for this shitshow.

 

[Coatigan]

All Boris and Farage have to do is come out of Number 10 and announce ‘we’ve left the EU!’

what leaver would notice any difference to their lives ?

all they want is to feel they’ve ‘won’ and that’s it.

As someone else said on here before (sorry if it was you), give them all blue passports as a convincer, and lets all move on.

 

[Ban-jani]

Tough shit that millions of them didn't, even tougher shit that most Labour constituencies voted to leave.
In a couple of weeks we'll find out if they are impressed with being offered to stay in, versus really
staying in, then being told the first offer was only a joke, you need to go for the second in this referendum
we're offering you not long after.
With something as clear and concise as that, you should piss it.

I now think we have to leave, despite being a remain voter.

But it’s tough shit that Labour won’t bow to what you want. Their membership are 80%+ remain, their MPs are remain and the majority of their voters are remain.

They can stand for remain in an election if they wish and it’s tough shit for you.

I won’t be voting for them and I don’t agree with their Brexit policy but they’re absolutely welcome to have it and it’s a legitimate and mature position.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I too was a staunch remainer, but we’ve voted to leave and we can’t start repairing as a nation until we do, and go on to deal with the consequences as a nation, good or bad.

It won’t finish us as a nation, of that I’m sure.

It won't finish us but it will massively diminish us. There are many good and valid reasons to allow a confirmatory referendum and lets face it, more emerge on almost a daily basis. That is the only hope we have of putting this to bed.

 

[George Hannah]

It won't finish us but it will massively diminish us. There are many good and valid reasons to allow a confirmatory referendum and lets face it, more emerge on almost a daily basis. That is the only hope we have of putting this to bed.

not going to happen friend, we'll have to find another way.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I tend to agree, although we'll all feel it when the economy isn't growing as it could/should. It's a pity the economic fallout won't specifically affect those who voted for this shitshow.

No we won't. There's no A-B comparison where on a Wednesday we can see how it feels being out of the EU and on Thursday we'll pop back in to compare the two. Then out on Friday again just to be sure. No-one will know what it would have been like had we stayed in, and with nothing to compare "being out" with, then most people will feel no difference.

The country will carry on just as it does now, and maybe it will grow slightly less quickly. But most people will not notice any difference at all. If a company you work for, decides to relocate, then yes you will be affected. But how many businesses do you think would decamp from the UK when faced with persecution from a vindictive Labour leader? And who knows, if Labour win, who's to say Leave would not win a second referendum? And then we'd have the double-whammy of the Labour wrecking ball and Brexit to deal with.

 

[Saddleworth2]

not going to happen friend, we'll have to find another way.

Never say never mate!

 

[Chippy_boy]

I won’t be voting for them and I don’t agree with their Brexit policy but they’re absolutely welcome to have it and it’s a legitimate and mature position.

If not one entirely inconsistent with the concept of "leadership".

"Our official position is to be undecided". Genius. How could anyone have a problem voting for that?

 

[Ban-jani]

If not one entirely inconsistent with the concept of "leadership".

"Our official position is to be undecided". Genius. How could anyone have a problem voting for that?

I do get that argument.

I think we now have to leave, the more I think about it the more I think we have to honour the result. I know it’s a bad move for us but this is doing so much social harm and distrust with the electorate.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I do get that argument.

I think we now have to leave, the more I think about it the more I think we have to honour the result. I know it’s a bad move for us but this is doing so much social harm and distrust with the electorate.

Labour's untenable position on Brexit is entirely down to two factors IMO.

1. Corbyn's hatred of the EU and very strong personal belief that we should leave, and that this is entirely in conflict with the views of most of his party. This conflict is very much behind their indefensible fence-sitting.

2. A desperation for votes from whatever quarter they can get them and a fear of losing significant votes if coming out with a straight "Remain" position.

What is patently clear is that there can be no way on planet Earth that Labour can negotiate a "good" deal with the EU whilst saying to the EU that they won't even back it. BRINO is the only possible outcome. So Brexit is in all likelihood stone dead, dead as a dodo, were Labour to form the next government. Any referendum on BRINO vs Remain will yield a Remain majority, sure as eggs is eggs.

So what is stopping Labour from campaigning for Remain in the GE? Opportunism and Corbyn's stubbornness.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

If not one entirely inconsistent with the concept of "leadership".

"Our official position is to be undecided". Genius. How could anyone have a problem voting for that?

To be fair. If there is a second Ref and a political leader with a majority takes a side. Then how can they be expected to implement the option that they oppose - especially brexit which is a very lose concept. That was the dead end Cameron found himself in. Corbyns plan is workable in that he would come up with a brexit he would quite like (a soft one) and if it won or lost he could deliver either.

Not really a zinger of a policy but it is a clear way out of the mess. And in my view better than BoJo's BS around getting it done it 12 months.

 

[Chippy_boy]

To be fair. If there is a second Ref and a political leader with a majority takes a side. Then how can they be expected to implement the option that they oppose - especially brexit which is a very lose concept. That was the dead end Cameron found himself in. Corbyns plan is workable in that he would come up with a brexit he would quite like (a soft one) and if it won or lost he could deliver either.

Not really a zinger of a policy but it is a clear way out of the mess. And in my view better than BoJo's BS around getting it done it 12 months.

I think that's a possible justification for their position, but not the reason for it. It's extremely clear that a big majority of Labour party members and the PLP passionately support a Remain position, and that being the case, that's what they should be campaigning for. That they are not, is simply fear of alienating possible Labour voters in the very many Labour Leave majority constituencies.

Such a conclusion might not have been so completely obvious were it not consistent with the 3 years of fence-sitting by Corbyn on pretty much every subject which requires him to take any sort of position which could cost him support.