Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

Worth a listen irrespective of what view you have. Some will enjoy the logic, some the salty tears.

Sooner put my feet in boiling oil than listen to and enrich this condescending twat.

 

[BobKowalski]

Trade deals are done throughout the world using mutually recognised standards but the EU always tries to load in competitive advantage disguised as a treaty commitment to regulatory alignment - and then routinely concludes its agreements with major countries without it - e.g. Canada, Japan and in a few months the UK. The EU negotiators are just a bunch of gangsters like everybody else.

The Canada and Japan deals do have varying degrees of regulatory alignment. How much depends on the sector and market access within the respective deals. I really have no idea what else to tell you.

As for Johnson the US isn’t going to adopt UK animal welfare standards nor is it dropping non tariff barriers because a lot of them are decided at State level not Federal. You can keep believing this nonsense from Johnson if it brings you inner peace but it ain’t changing reality.

 

[BobKowalski]

Sooner put my feet in boiling oil than listen to and enrich this condescending twat.

Was he being mean about Leavers again? #badmantouchedme

 

[Saddleworth2]

Sooner put my feet in boiling oil than listen to and enrich this condescending twat.

Each to their own mate.
He does tend to come at things with logic and facts and I know that can be a turnoff to some.

 

[blueinsa]

Was he being mean about Leavers again? #badmantouchedme

Dont care just telling it as it is Bob.

You also have some right fucking cretins going in to bat for your side ;-)

Badmantouchedme? wtf you strange fucker?

 

[Len Rum]

Trade deals are done throughout the world using mutually recognised standards but the EU always tries to load in competitive advantage disguised as a treaty commitment to regulatory alignment - and then routinely concludes its agreements with major countries without it - e.g. Canada, Japan and in a few months the UK. The EU negotiators are just a bunch of gangsters like everybody else.

UK are gangsters as well George.
Just that the EU are bigger and cleverer gangsters than us.

 

[Len Rum]

There is one very vocal remain campaigner/poster on here who has made no secret of the fact he wants it all to go tits up so he can say told you so and laugh at all the stupid people who voted for it.
He often finishes his posts with lots of Hahahahahahaha and lolololololololol and he is a really really good story teller as well.

You're one of the biggest piss takers of remainers on here mate.
Fair enough.
But stop giving it out if you can't take it yourself.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Worth a listen irrespective of what view you have. Some will enjoy the logic, some the salty tears.

Enjoyed that .... thanks for posting

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Even Kuenssberg has started to wake up.

 

[blueinsa]

You're one of the biggest piss takers of remainers on here mate.
Fair enough.
But stop giving it out if you can't take it yourself.

Eh?

Cant take what?

You OK Len?

 

[blueinsa]

Enjoyed that .... thanks for posting

Fully vindicates my decision not to watch it.

 

[Len Rum]

You can keep believing this nonsense from Johnson if it brings you inner peace but it ain’t changing reality.

It helps to know that George's favourite Beatles track is the Inner Light ( B side to Lady Madonna), particularly the lyrics.
@George Hannah

 

[George Hannah]

The Canada and Japan deals do have varying degrees of regulatory alignment. How much depends on the sector and market access within the respective deals. I really have no idea what else to tell you. As for Johnson the US isn’t going to adopt UK animal welfare standards nor is it dropping non tariff barriers because a lot of them are decided at State level not Federal. You can keep believing this nonsense from Johnson if it brings you inner peace but it ain’t changing reality.

'Believing Johnson' -lol - 'the reality that ain't changing' - lol The reality is the EU have a £98bn trade surplus with us in goods they want to keep, they'll come to heel you can rely on it. FYI the CETA deal eliminates 98% of all tariffs on goods traded between Canada and the EU and unlike the EU27, Canada is free to strike trade deals with other countries around the world. Japan has broadly similar arrangements. We want the same but extended to include financial services - which might take a while of course.

It helps to know that George's favourite Beatles track is the Inner Light ( B side to Lady Madonna), particularly the lyrics.
@George Hannah

Noooooooooo - it's *'The Light at the End of the Tunnel - Is the Light of an Oncoming Train' - Half Man Half Biscuit (an uncomprehending Beatles Tribute Group).

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

So in summary we have fell out already on the trade deal.

 

[mcfc1632]

Funny thing is that pre-referendum and post referendum Leavers were adamant had they lost the fight to leave the EU would go on.

Fast forward - they "won" and now the country should unite behind them and believe that as long as we are confident good things will come.

Fuuuuuccckkk off - just as your fight would have gone on so will mine.

That is just simply wrong

Most such comments on here have been clearly that if Remain had won the referendum then we would have done no such thing

I can only think of Farage making that comment - he has nothing to do with these threads

IMO - You should man-up and get on with your life - you should certainly stop hoping for bad news for the UK

 

[mcfc1632]

National Identity = Much bad.

European Identity = Progressivism, much good!

We have learned over the years:

Irish Nationalism, Scottish Nationalism and EU 'nationalism' = something noble and to be greatly admired

English people showing a bit of care about what happens to them = Something to be decried as 'little Englander' / jingoism
(nothing remotely as strong as deserving the label nationalism)

I have been shocked at how strong these sentiments are on here - and just how much of a desire some people have to run their country down

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

We have learned over the years:

Irish Nationalism, Scottish Nationalism and EU 'nationalism' = something noble and to be greatly admired

English people showing a bit of care about what happens to them = Something to be decried as 'little Englander' / jingoism
(nothing remotely as strong as deserving the label nationalism)

I have been shocked at how strong these sentiments are on here - and just how much of a desire some people have to run their country down

The good news is that a large proportion of the electorate don’t think like that. It’s a liberal left trait.

 

[Metal Biker]

So in summary we have fell out already on the trade deal.

And the world is watching, namely on how the EU treats one of its "neighbours" in this trade deal.

Talks of them "wanting" to give the UK a "worse deal" than Canada and Japan speaks volumes.

 

[BobKowalski]

'Believing Johnson' -lol - 'the reality that ain't changing' - lol The reality is the EU have a £98bn trade surplus with us in goods they want to keep, they'll come to heel you can rely on it. FYI the CETA deal eliminates 98% of all tariffs on goods traded between Canada and the EU and unlike the EU27, Canada is free to strike trade deals with other countries around the world. Japan has broadly similar arrangements. We want the same but extended to include financial services - which might take a while of course.

That’s nice. Your daily reminder that CETA is nearly 1600 pages with 30 chapters each on a specific category with quotas and tariffs and all consignments have to be documented and 10% of all consignments are checked. All this would also be applicable to trade between GB and NI.

Need to get planning, building and recruiting as we only have 11 months. Well 10 months as the EU member states sign off on today’s proposed mandate at end of Feb. Still nothing to stop us getting all that lovely new infrastructure in place. Oh and GB ports want to know who is footing the bill for all this.

Chop, chop.

 

[BobKowalski]

So in summary we have fell out already on the trade deal.

Nah. It’s just chest beating and willy waving. We will fall out in about 3 months.

For the UK it’s also about ensuring we all know it’s the EU to blame for...well everything. For the EU it’s about publishing everything in detail and reminding the UK what we signed up for in the WA.