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Ric said:
I think only the most ardent zealots are still focussed purely on Brexit right now.
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That there be fightin' talk in these here parts - and you accuse me of wuming the good folk of the cummings thread? I can only assume there is a wager in the mod room that the brexit thread will melt before it gets to 3500 pages, and this is your attempt to get it kicking off?
 
Leavers need to watch the architect of Leave in action ( Johnson just sailed under the Leave flag as one of convenience ) and then look at the vile comments left below. Proud?

 
bluethrunthru said:
Yeah - 60 odd k excess deaths may beg to differ
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Ric said:
Yes, 2020 has been absolutely brilliant so far.
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Disappointing to see these posts

My comment is clearly talking about the subject of Brexit - posted on the Brexit thread. I am clearly referring to the situation whereby....

a) before the GE if such a bill had been brought before parliament it "......would have made me groan" and also - back in those days......

b) "...….we would have had so many posts on here explaining why an extension was good for the UK" - because that was the experience of 2017-December 2019

Why have either of you sought to suggest some indifference from me to the dreadful events caused by the pandemic?

On Tuesday a Remain poster was using the pandemic for the purpose of political point-scoring - I believe that it is highly inappropriate and disrespectful to do that.

This is the Brexit thread and is here for the purpose of discussing Brexit - IMO people should not use the dreadful events of the pandemic to score points on here.
 
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BobKowalski said:
Frost was not correct. As you concede Covid 19 will change logistics and timetables. The tight timetable for negotiations has already being disrupted. Therefore for Frost to state ‘it hasn’t changed anything’ is the comment of an idiot.
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What is it with you fellas and the need to keep digging when you are in a hole?

Also - what is it with you fellas that you keep twisting the words of others or what you had previously posted. There are other posters that people do not bother to engage with because of this habit.

I clearly pointed out that there are 2 aspects to Frost's comments - and you seem to be deliberately muddling them

1. His comment - ‘Covid19 has not made any changes in priorities in Brexit negotiations. "I don't think it's changed anything," says UK chief negotiator David Frost’ - is reference to the priorities of Brexit - there is a clue in the bit that is bolded.

This is a simple statement of fact - no matter how you want to muddle it - the UK wants to exit the EU at the end of the year as an independent nation and not be tied to either EU regulations or required to make further contributions to the EU coffers - simples. Frost is clearly speaking about the UK's priorities and his comments are therefore in no way idiotic.

2. His comment - "We are still at a relatively early stage of negotiations" - I took to mean to refer to the level of progress made - rather than simply about timetable - again another simple statement of fact.

If the UK has genuinely determined it's red lines and the EU is resolute in not moving from theirs then there is no point in a 2 month or 2 year extension - or any extension.

It really is just statements of facts. As I mentioned the UK position - if it is indeed resolute about its red lines should be something like asking the EU: "....can you, between now and the end of June, provide sufficient certainty and assurance that if we continue with negotiations beyond that point you will concede to the UK positions on LPF and other key areas identified?

If not, we will end the negotiations at the end of June and use the remaining months to prepare for no-deal. If so- we will continue the dialogue beyond June to put meat on the bones of sector agreements."

Then there may be value in an extension to do some fleshing out - but otherwise not.

The pandemic is a dreadful occurrence and we should all be deeply saddened by what as occurred - but that it has happened does not impact on the validity of Frost's 2 point.

If both parties are resolute that their positions will not change then there is absolutely no point in any extension.
 
Ric said:
I think only the most ardent zealots are still focussed purely on Brexit right now.
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Obviously the pandemic should/must be the subject of greatest concern for everyone at this time - it certainly is for me - and it is surely not possible for anyone - anywhere - to think otherwise.

And it is surely impossible for anyone to be focussed 'purely on Brexit'

That said when I visit: https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/...-8-9-10th-june.339272/page-2950#post-12681272
every day it is because I do have a great interest in what is occurring on that subject. So must you as I have seen you post on there. That does not mean that either of us consider that outcome to be more important than the pandemic.

Similarly, when I visit and post on the Brexit thread it is because I have an interest in that subject - so must you as you post on here as well. Again that does not mean that either of us consider the outcome to be more important than the pandemic.

You have kindly provided a separate thread specifically for those that wish to make political points with regard to the pandemic. Personally, I hardly visit that thread because I do not want to do that - but I do feel that the Brexit thread should be for the purpose of discussing Brexit - just as the FFP thread should be for discussing FFP.

It is not Leavers that are bringing pandemic related considerations into this thread.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Disappointing to see these posts

My comment is clearly talking about the subject of Brexit - posted on the Brexit thread. I am clearly referring to the situation whereby....

a) before the GE if such a bill had been brought before parliament it "......would have made me groan" and also - back in those days......

b) "...….we would have had so many posts on here explaining why an extension was good for the UK" - because that was the experience of 2017-December 2019

Why have either of you sought to suggest some indifference from me to the dreadful events caused by the pandemic?

On Tuesday a Remain poster was using the pandemic for the purpose of political point-scoring - I believe that it is highly inappropriate and disrespectful to do that.

This is the Brexit thread and is here for the purpose of discussing Brexit - IMO people should not use the dreadful events of the pandemic to score points on here.
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What you have to remember is anything bad that ever happens to our country From here on in is directly because of Brexit in remainers eyes

As for the the losers of the general election 2019, sorry I mean opposition parties. To write to the eu asking about an extension....this is a national disgrace.
But we’ve seen it before they just will not let the democratic wishes of the uk voters go without trying to undermine the whole thing.
 
mcfc1632 said:
What is it with you fellas and the need to keep digging when you are in a hole?

Also - what is it with you fellas that you keep twisting the words of others or what you had previously posted. There are other posters that people do not bother to engage with because of this habit.

I clearly pointed out that there are 2 aspects to Frost's comments - and you seem to be deliberately muddling them

1. His comment - ‘Covid19 has not made any changes in priorities in Brexit negotiations. "I don't think it's changed anything," says UK chief negotiator David Frost’ - is reference to the priorities of Brexit - there is a clue in the bit that is bolded.

This is a simple statement of fact - no matter how you want to muddle it - the UK wants to exit the EU at the end of the year as an independent nation and not be tied to either EU regulations or required to make further contributions to the EU coffers - simples. Frost is clearly speaking about the UK's priorities and his comments are therefore in no way idiotic.

2. His comment - "We are still at a relatively early stage of negotiations" - I took to mean to refer to the level of progress made - rather than simply about timetable - again another simple statement of fact.

If the UK has genuinely determined it's red lines and the EU is resolute in not moving from theirs then there is no point in a 2 month or 2 year extension - or any extension.

It really is just statements of facts. As I mentioned the UK position - if it is indeed resolute about its red lines should be something like asking the EU: "....can you, between now and the end of June, provide sufficient certainty and assurance that if we continue with negotiations beyond that point you will concede to the UK positions on LPF and other key areas identified?

If not, we will end the negotiations at the end of June and use the remaining months to prepare for no-deal. If so- we will continue the dialogue beyond June to put meat on the bones of sector agreements."

Then there may be value in an extension to do some fleshing out - but otherwise not.

The pandemic is a dreadful occurrence and we should all be deeply saddened by what as occurred - but that it has happened does not impact on the validity of Frost's 2 point.

If both parties are resolute that their positions will not change then there is absolutely no point in any extension.
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You wrote all this in an attempt to redefine the word ‘anything’? Remarkable.

You also think that a country that botched the introduction of lockdown, has botched the rules governing lockdown - and will no doubt botch the lifting of lockdown by going for it too early without the operational systems in place - has recorded the highest worldwide Covid 19 death rate per capita, is subsidising UK industry and its workforce to the tune of over £22 billion and rising might not just pause for thought and examine whether its priorities have changed just a tad since January? That our main priority is a virus and not the French or the Germans?

Has it occurred to you that out of all the European countries we are negotiating with the UK might just be in a lot worse shape than most of them come the end of the year? Or do we just dismiss this possibility because we are British and we will naturally be in far better shape than Johnny Foreigner? Which is how we approached the handling of the pandemic and that turned out really well didn’t it?
 
Tb1981 said:
What you have to remember is anything bad that ever happens to our country From here on in is directly because of Brexit in remainers eyes

As for the the losers of the general election 2019, sorry I mean opposition parties. To write to the eu asking about an extension....this is a national disgrace.
But we’ve seen it before they just will not let the democratic wishes of the uk voters go without trying to undermine the whole thing.
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Would that be the extension option that the British Govt agreed to in an international treaty? And writing to ask about it in the midst of a pandemic is ‘a national disgrace’? Are you guys on drugs?
 
mcfc1632 said:
Obviously the pandemic should/must be the subject of greatest concern for everyone at this time - it certainly is for me - and it is surely not possible for anyone - anywhere - to think otherwise.

And it is surely impossible for anyone to be focussed 'purely on Brexit'

That said when I visit: https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/...-8-9-10th-june.339272/page-2950#post-12681272
every day it is because I do have a great interest in what is occurring on that subject. So must you as I have seen you post on there. That does not mean that either of us consider that outcome to be more important than the pandemic.

Similarly, when I visit and post on the Brexit thread it is because I have an interest in that subject - so must you as you post on here as well. Again that does not mean that either of us consider the outcome to be more important than the pandemic.

You have kindly provided a separate thread specifically for those that wish to make political points with regard to the pandemic. Personally, I hardly visit that thread because I do not want to do that - but I do feel that the Brexit thread should be for the purpose of discussing Brexit - just as the FFP thread should be for discussing FFP.

It is not Leavers that are bringing pandemic related considerations into this thread.
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I was just replying to a post about the lack of responses regarding an extension. Most people’s minds are elsewhere now, hence why you only have a small handful of users still posting regularly on this thread. Maybe “zealots” was a bit antagonistic though, so I’ll take that back.
 
Ric said:
I was just replying to a post about the lack of responses regarding an extension. Most people’s minds are elsewhere now, hence why you only have a small handful of users still posting regularly on this thread. Maybe “zealots” was a bit antagonistic though, so I’ll take that back.
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To be fair Ric that applies to both sides
Same people for and against brexit as usual regardless of a pandemic
 
BobKowalski said:
Brevity is good. Confirmation that you should be on some form of medication not so much. Seek help.
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It’s sad really that you make it personal and imply things like you do
Medication and drugs!!!!
Have an opinion that differs to mine by all means
You really are a sad sad man
 
smudgedj said:
Not giving up yet.

https://services.parliament.uk/Bills/2019-21/europeanunionwithdrawalimplementationperiod.html

A Bill to require Her Majesty’s Government to seek a two-year extension of the implementation period under Article 132 of the Withdrawal Agreement; to repeal the prohibition on agreeing to such an extension under section 33 of the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020; and for connected purposes.
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You've got to laugh at the desperation, and the utter futility of stunts like this.
After 4 years, this sad no mark, unsurprisingly wants a two year extension.
Not a few weeks or months, two years.
So after he and his ilk stymied Brexit for 4 years, the upshot being yet another election,
that this time, ended with the only party that offered to scrap the referendum result losing
its leader, and the official opposition destroyed, he wants another go.
Bless.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
You've got to laugh at the desperation, and the utter futility of stunts like this.
After 4 years, this sad no mark, unsurprisingly wants a two year extension.
Not a few weeks or months, two years.
So after he and his ilk stymied Brexit for 4 years, the upshot being yet another election,
that this time, ended with the only party that offered to scrap the referendum result losing
its leader, and the official opposition destroyed, he wants another go.
Bless.
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So you are not against an extension per se, just any extension of two years or excessive duration?
 
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