Another new Brexit thread

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

So here we go, the Govt has published its outlines on the delayed plans to fully control our borders (arf) and if we ever get our shit together (arf) then lots of nice juicy regulations come into play. These will also partially apply to GB to NI trade.

Project fear....

 

[BlueAnorak]

Not sure that is relevant. We are talking about the basic WTO requirement to implement Tariffs. That alone is bad enough.

You don't collect Tariffs that are 0 rated and you dont have to collect them at the border.

 

[BlueAnorak]

So here we go, the Govt has published its outlines on the delayed plans to fully control our borders (arf) and if we ever get our shit together (arf) then lots of nice juicy regulations come into play. These will also partially apply to GB to NI trade.

We will police the UK/NI regulatory border with the zeal of a German policing state aid, a Frenchman policing farm subsidies, a Greek policing a tax take, and an Italian policing a fiscal surplus.
The EU can be sure that we will give the border the same attention that they would

 

[BobKowalski]

We will police the UL/NI regulatpry border with the zeal of a German policing state aid, a Frenchman policing farm subsidies, a Greek policing a tax take, and an Italian policing a fiscal surplus.
The EU can be sure that we will give the border the same attention that they would

They will be on hand to ensure compliance as mandated in the Withdrawal Agreement Treaty we signed. They want an office in NI too, which is causing much angst in Govt.

Fun fact the UK is a stickler for enforcing rules, far more so than most European Countries. We love a jobsworth.

 

[blueparrot]

So the best way to avoid Brexit being bad for businesses is to bodge and dodge the rules and hope for the best we can get away with it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

So the best way to avoid Brexit being bad for businesses is to bodge and dodge the rules and hope for the best we can get away with it.

Do you understand the term temporary?
Indeed, what goods will fail inspection till market rules diverge? Non is the answer.

 

[blueparrot]

Do you understand the term temporary?
Indeed, what goods will fail inspection till market rules diverge? Non is the answer.

Still be tariffs to to apply, still be checks for N Ireland, checks you’re hoping can be dodged. EU will still be doing checks on our exports as far as I can tell. A crap idea has got more crap as we are steaming ahead without being remotely prepared for it. Hoping for the best isn’t good enough for businesses already under pressure to just survive.

 

[mcfc1632]

So the best way to avoid Brexit being bad for businesses is to bodge and dodge the rules and hope for the best we can get away with it.

Nope

Best for business is to get the UK fully out of EU control

 

[BlueAnorak]

They will be on hand to ensure compliance as mandated in the Withdrawal Agreement Treaty we signed. They want an office in NI too, which is causing much angst in Govt.

Fun fact the UK is a stickler for enforcing rules, far more so than most European Countries. We love a jobsworth.

There was an article 'way back when' of what the bare minimum requirement was. From memory it is country of origin for goods & goods components + Tariff collection along with VAT. (Along with animal inspections for movement across the Irish Sea.)
For the first time ever the UK will not gold plate EU rules.

 

[BobKowalski]

There was an article 'way back when' of what the bare minimum requirement was. From memory it is country of origin for goods & goods components + Tariff collection along with VAT. (Along with animal inspections for movement across the Irish Sea.)
For the first time ever the UK will not gold plate EU rules.

Correction. Part of the UK will. NI remains in the Single Market after Brexit.

 

[blueparrot]

Correction. Part of the UK will. NI remains in the Single Market after Brexit.

Lucky bastards. Pity that option isn’t offered to the parts of the UK.

 

[Vic]

So the best way to avoid Brexit being bad for businesses is to bodge and dodge the rules and hope for the best we can get away with it.

Wow. Brexit turns into Smugglers Cove.

 

[BobKowalski]

Do you understand the term temporary?
Indeed, what goods will fail inspection till market rules diverge? Non is the answer.

We are not doing any inspections. We don’t have the infrastructure or personnel in place. That is the point. EU goods will enter the UK with minimum fuss. UK goods entering the EU will be subject to checks and have to be compliant with EU regulations and have the necessary paperwork that non EU countries have to provide. Trouble is we are not set up for that either which means we need France, Netherlands to adopt a similar light touch, except that will be against EU rules. So we need those rules to be relaxed ‘temporarily’ which means the EU will want something in return. You see how this is shaping up right?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Correction. Part of the UK will. NI remains in the Single Market after Brexit.

What exactly did you think I meant by regulatory border?

 

[mcfc1632]

Still be tariffs to to apply, still be checks for N Ireland, checks you’re hoping can be dodged. EU will still be doing checks on our exports as far as I can tell. A crap idea has got more crap as we are steaming ahead without being remotely prepared for it. Hoping for the best isn’t good enough for businesses already under pressure to just survive.

You highlight that May should have been committed to no deal preparations in 2016

Remainers have done sooo much damage

 

[BobKowalski]

What exactly did you think I meant by regulatory border?

You said the UK will not gold plate EU rules. I said part of the UK, NI, will.

 

[Vic]

You highlight that May should have been committed to no deal preparations in 2016

Remainers have done sooo much damage

Such hypocrisy.

Did Johnson commit to No Deal preparations in 2016? No - he was promising that if we left we'd still be in a FTZ from Iceland to the Russian border. If anyone from the Leave campaign had committed to No Deal preparations, Remain would have won.

 

[Vic]

Nope

Best for business is to get the UK fully out of EU control

The first rule of controlling our borders is not to control our borders.

 

[BlueAnorak]

You said the UK will not gold plate EU rules. I said part of the UK, NI, will.

No it won't.
If we can prove the terms of the Brexit agreement have been fulfilled then they are fulfilled.
We DO NOT have to good plate regulations.

 

[west didsblue]

Yes you do.
So here's a question for you.
At what point will EU goods fail possible UK inspections?

Who said they would and why is it an issue?