Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

The failure to engage with the reality of Brexit

Indeed. The day after the ref everyone should have accepted the result and got on with planning a post EU Britain.

 

[west didsblue]

A democratic majority won yes and want that result implemented.

Trump?

Those trying to stop the above seem a tad more "Trumpian" right now imo.

What are you on about? We’ve left. The vote has been implemented.

Just want a good deal now.

 

[Vic]

Indeed. The day after the ref everyone should have accepted the result and got on with planning a post EU Britain.

The day after the ref the vast majority did accept the result. What did you do toward planning a post EU Britain? Please don't tell us you'd never given it a thought.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

That’s a cop out excuse. No one has ever claimed membership is a magic solution and ‘gamesmanship’ was played on both sides of the divide or have you forgotten the shenanigans employed by the ERG or even the DUP until they were sold down the river?

The failure to engage with the reality of Brexit is no different to Republicans and Conservatives in the US failing to engage with the reality of Covid 19. You guys are only equipped to fight the fictitious enemies that exist in your own heads.

Remain over the last few years has been presented as a fairy tale solution to nearly every societal, financial or environmental woe that could befall us - the latest being covid. This is just as extreme as any of the 'sunny uplands' bollocks. I don't expect you to see any one who thinks remain as extreme - that's how extremism works.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Both reports prior to Covid19 pandemic ........ Of which it can be said has impacted economically.

You think Covid-19 will impact the UK to a higher level than the Euro-Zone?
A currency that doesnt work for all it's member states doesn't work.
They either accept shared debt or the whole construct falls to pieces with severe economic consequences. Sadly we won't escape blast damage when it eventually happens.

 

[Vic]

You think Covid-19 will impact the UK to a higher level than the Euro-Zone?
A currency that doesnt work for all it's member states doesn't work.
They either accept shared debt or the whole construct falls to pieces with severe economic consequences. Sadly we won't escape blast damage when it eventually happens.

I can't keep up with the edits!

We have a good idea what thinking about leaving has done to the economy. The government forecasts are that No Deal will be very damaging. Sterling is down 17% against the Euro. For all its faults it's a stronger currency than sterling.

I think the government is now in a bind. Keeping Covid going might have disguised the effect of Brexit. But if by the end of the year there is a distinct post-Covid recovery in GDP it will be impossible to hide the effect of a no deal Brexit.

What happens to the Eurozone is long grass stuff.

 

[BobKowalski]

Remain over the last few years has been presented as a fairy tale solution to nearly every societal, financial or environmental woe that could befall us - the latest being covid. This is just as extreme as any of the 'sunny uplands' bollocks. I don't expect you to see any one who thinks remain as extreme - that's how extremism works.

Nope. Not once. Remain has been argued for maintaining barrier free movement for the transaction of goods, services and people. The very things that keep this country running and for which right now we have no alternative. This is just objective fact.

On Covid we bolloxed ourselves with no help from anyone else. Indeed we deliberately refused to be helped by anyone else or learn any lessons from anyone else. From lockdown, mask wearing, PPE, testing, track and trace it has been a tale of shoddy incompetence mixed with short sighted exceptionalism. Which pretty much sums up Brexit and its adherents.

 

[BobKowalski]

You think Covid-19 will impact the UK to a higher level than the Euro-Zone?
A currency that doesnt work for all it's member states doesn't work.
They either accept shared debt or the whole construct falls to pieces with severe economic consequences. Sadly we won't escape blast damage when it eventually happens.

Covid 19 will impact Eurozone countries to differing degrees based on the respective economies, and governmental, cultural and environmental make up of the countries in question. This is no different to individual states in the US being impacted differently.

The only question that matters to us right now is how will the UK be impacted and are we capable of navigating ourselves out of this crisis. The EU countries are building their own life raft so I would suggest stop worrying about them and hypothetical concerns about the Euro and start worrying about us.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Covid 19 will impact Eurozone countries to differing degrees based on the respective economies, and governmental, cultural and environmental make up of the countries in question. This is no different to individual states in the US being impacted differently.

The only question that matters to us right now is how will the UK be impacted and are we capable of navigating ourselves out of this crisis. The EU countries are building their own life raft so I would suggest stop worrying about them and hypothetical concerns about the Euro and start worrying about us.

I'm not worried about us. We'll be fine.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Nope. Not once. Remain has been argued for maintaining barrier free movement for the transaction of goods, services and people. The very things that keep this country running and for which right now we have no alternative. This is just objective fact.

On Covid we bolloxed ourselves with no help from anyone else. Indeed we deliberately refused to be helped by anyone else or learn any lessons from anyone else. From lockdown, mask wearing, PPE, testing, track and trace it has been a tale of shoddy incompetence mixed with short sighted exceptionalism. Which pretty much sums up Brexit and its adherents.

Wouldn't expect you to see any view except your own - very much standard. Your views however seem to have no traction outside your own narrow cabal or with the public in general. I'll wish you well and leave you to it.

 

[journolud]

I have predicted this before and it’s plainly obvious to all but those who are entrapped in this thread. There will never be a time when one side can say see I told you I was right and the other side accepts it. This is 100% guaranteed so those trying to get someone to ‘own’ it are not as clever as they think they are. In fact the more you post on here on the subject of being right the dafter you are.

Reclaim your own sanity or you will be wasting your time on here till you draw your last breath.

The irony of who “liked” this post

 

[Vic]

Wouldn't expect you to see any view except your own - very much standard. Your views however seem to have no traction outside your own narrow cabal or with the public in general. I'll wish you well and leave you to it.

The public in general have twigged. If somehow we could have another referendum (and we could turn the clock back to before we had actually left) you'd see. Most recent poll was 56%/44% for staying in the EU.

But I know you only say this sort of stuff as a WUM. And I wonder if you will leave us to it!

 

[blueinsa]

The public in general have twigged.

Agreed. They saw what was afoot and subsequently delivered a huge pro brexit majority to the Tories and gave the EU a message by voting in huge numbers for the brexit party.

Honestly Vic, ringing a few Labour remain voters isn't proof the public wants what you want.

 

[Vic]

Agreed. They saw what was afoot and subsequently delivered a huge pro brexit majority to the Tories and gave the EU a message by voting in huge numbers for the brexit party.

Honestly Vic, ringing a few Labour remain voters isn't proof the public wants what you want.

Just for the record (as usual) more people voted for pro-remain or pro-fresh vote parties.

 

[Ban-jani]

Just for the record (as usual) more people voted for pro-remain or pro-fresh vote parties.

The thing is some people will always vote for the same party and some voted despite their choice’s Brexit stance.

The best way to measure the public’s opinion on this is the swing in votes, which went all one way in the election.

I’m convinced it’s still just over half in favour of Brexit.

 

[Vic]

The thing is some people will always vote for the same party and some voted despite their choice’s Brexit stance.

The best way to measure the public’s opinion on this is the swing in votes, which went all one way in the election.

I’m convinced it’s still just over half in favour of Brexit.

Second sentence is a total non sequitur from the first and there's thus no evidential basis for your third.

By all means you can doubt the polls but that means doubting 99% of polls since the referendum.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The thing is some people will always vote for the same party and some voted despite their choice’s Brexit stance.

The best way to measure the public’s opinion on this is the swing in votes, which went all one way in the election.

I’m convinced it’s still just over half in favour of Brexit.

I suspect you are spot on. If there were a more decisive swing either way it would not remain such a divisive issue. GE result was a result of BJ's trump style appeal, Corbyn rightly or wrongly being demonised / discredited, and labour attempting to play both sides of the brexit debate and being outflanked by tories / lib dems. Not sure either remain or leave can claim it, but remainers were probably split more than leavers in voting terms so 'lost'.

 

[Ban-jani]

Second sentence is a total non sequitur from the first and there's thus no evidential basis for your third.

By all means you can doubt the polls but that means doubting 99% of polls since the referendum.

I’m not sure if you’ve misunderstood my point because yours makes absolutely no sense.

 

[blueinsa]

Just for the record (as usual) more people voted for pro-remain or pro-fresh vote parties.

Just for the record, brexit could have been stopped at the ballot box quite a few times but it never has.

You are just fooling yourself Vic to pretend otherwise im afraid.

 

[blueinsa]

The thing is some people will always vote for the same party and some voted despite their choice’s Brexit stance.

The best way to measure the public’s opinion on this is the swing in votes, which went all one way in the election.

I’m convinced it’s still just over half in favour of Brexit.

Labour lost 1.7 Million leave votes at the GE alone.