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That sounds like an over simplification, did she actually say that or did she imply it was a factor? Is there a link to her saying it?
It was all part of the Aaron banks stuff And Cambridge analytica. There were claims of Russian funding and sponsorship. Some of the Russian names mentioned have connections to the Russians named in the Senate committee report yesterday that reported Russian collusion in trumps presidential campaign. Something else that CC claimed had happened.
 
I’m saying, that as usual, you believe your opinion to be irrefutable fact. And if that fucks you off then so be it.
It’s not my opinion that’s the bleeding point.

She said Trump, Farage and Putin conspired to make Brexit happen, either you agree with me and you think she’s made it up or you agree with her and also believe that.

Let’s see if you can answer a straight question, you with me or her?
 
It’s not my opinion that’s the bleeding point.

She said Trump, Farage and Putin conspired to make Brexit happen, either you agree with me and you think she’s made it up or you agree with her and also believe that.

Let’s see if you can answer a straight question, you with me or her?
i think you both believe that what you say is true. If you are asking me to choose between a Pulitzer Prize winning journo and a bolshy guy on Blue moon.....;-)
 
i think you both believe that what you say is true. If you are asking me to choose between a Pulitzer Prize winning journo and a bolshy guy on Blue moon.....;-)
Tbf he's asking you to choose between using your own powers of reason or a David Ike scale conspiracy dreamed up by a Pulitzer Prize winning journo with an axe to grind. Connecting all these characters in some sort of Machiavellian conspiracy is every bit as daft as any of the brexiteer conspiracies about the EU.
 
Tbf he's asking you to choose between using your own powers of reason or a David Ike scale conspiracy dreamed up by a Pulitzer Prize winning journo with an axe to grind. Connecting all these characters in some sort of Machiavellian conspiracy is every bit as daft as any of the brexiteer conspiracies about the EU.
Thank you.

Let’s hope @Saddleworth2 actually answers my question now...
 
Tbf he's asking you to choose between using your own powers of reason or a David Ike scale conspiracy dreamed up by a Pulitzer Prize winning journo with an axe to grind. Connecting all these characters in some sort of Machiavellian conspiracy is every bit as daft as any of the brexiteer conspiracies about the EU.
US Senate seem to be having a good bash to be fair.
 
Tbf he's asking you to choose between using your own powers of reason or a David Ike scale conspiracy dreamed up by a Pulitzer Prize winning journo with an axe to grind. Connecting all these characters in some sort of Machiavellian conspiracy is every bit as daft as any of the brexiteer conspiracies about the EU.
If you believe that Russian interference is a ‘ Machiavellian conspiracy’ then fair fucks to you mate.
 
Do you believe her or not?
I don’t know and neither do you. I believe in Russian interference in both US and U.K. politics. I believe that there are a bunch of people from Russia and the West who have been involved in both. Solid evidence for that. Do I think she has got everything right? Probably not. Do I think she is a deliberate liar which is what you called her. No.
Do I think that her style of investigative journalism is preferable to the Fail/express absolutely I do.
 
I don’t know and neither do you. I believe in Russian interference in both US and U.K. politics. I believe that there are a bunch of people from Russia and the West who have been involved in both. Solid evidence for that. Do I think she has got everything right? Probably not. Do I think she is a deliberate liar which is what you called her. No.
Do I think that her style of investigative journalism is preferable to the Fail/express absolutely I do.

So you cannot make your mind up on whether Trump, Farage and Putin schemed together to ensure Brexit?

That’s a very poor case of fence sitting.

You think that’s preferable to the lowest denominator of right wing politics? I’d honestly rather read the Express over Carole on Brexit and I voted the same way as her.

It’s David Icke stuff.

Even she started deleting her Tweets, you’re going to defend them!

She’s even a joke amongst remainers and I used to cringe when she gave away so many arguments for our side of the debate.

There’s little point asking your opinion if you’re going to bury your head when someone on your side of the debate starts conspiracy theories with no evidence.

For the record, as BlueInsa said, the Met police and Electoral Commission found zero evidence for the claims and so did Trump’s impeachment trial... not a shred of evidence he was linked to any hidden Brexit plot.
 
So you cannot make your mind up on whether Trump, Farage and Putin schemed together to ensure Brexit?

That’s a very poor case of fence sitting.

You think that’s preferable to the lowest denominator of right wing politics? I’d honestly rather read the Express over Carole on Brexit and I voted the same way as her.

It’s David Icke stuff.

Even she started deleting her Tweets, you’re going to defend them!

She’s even a joke amongst remainers and I used to cringe when she gave away so many arguments for our side of the debate.

There’s little point asking your opinion if you’re going to bury your head when someone on your side of the debate starts conspiracy theories with no evidence.

For the record, as BlueInsa said, the Met police and Electoral Commission found zero evidence for the claims and so did Trump’s impeachment trial... not a shred of evidence he was linked to any hidden Brexit plot.
Whatever mate. If you don’t like my answers, don’t ask me questions. Btw have you read the senate report from yesterday? Don’t bother to answer that.
 
Whatever mate. If you don’t like my answers, don’t ask me questions. Btw have you read the senate report from yesterday? Don’t bother to answer that.

I was hopeful of some objectivity, that’s all, I was let down.

No I haven’t, what did it say, Trump colluding with Putin to force Brexit?
 
I was hopeful of some objectivity, that’s all, I was let down.

No I haven’t, what did it say, Trump colluding with Putin to force Brexit?
No, but it certainly suggested that there was indeed Russian interference in the 2016 US election. Not a huge leap of faith to imagine that they may have sought to influence the Brexit vote too. That may not have happened, of course, but not sure dismissing that notion as “David Icke stuff” is particularly objective either.
 
No, but it certainly suggested that there was indeed Russian interference in the 2016 US election. Not a huge leap of faith to imagine that they may have sought to influence the Brexit vote too. That may not have happened, of course, but not sure dismissing that notion as “David Icke stuff” is particularly objective either.

Russia trying to influence Western elections isn’t what I’m arguing about.

What I am arguing about is that it’s David Icke stuff to conclude Putin, Farage and Trump cooperated and schemed together behind the scenes to force Brexit, wouldn’t you agree?
 
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